La Vuelta 2025 ***SPOILERS***

[Pross]

That’s my point. The first half is nothing special and the second half is reasonably short but very punchy. It suits someone who likes short and punchy over someone who prefers a long grind.

It’s 6km at about 8% average, a 1km flatter then 6.5km in double digits other than the final 500m. It’s a pretty long climb by any standards and the ‘easy’ lower section is a gradient similar to most of the big climbs at the Tour. Compared to the climbs that Pidcock has been successful on (at Amstel etc.) it’s long and far more in the territory that Jonas excels in than today’s final climb was.

 

[mididoctors]

This ipt thing ain't going away

 

[mididoctors]

Stage 12

 

[No Ta Doctor]

I think the Russia ruling was a ioc thing ?

Not quite. The IOC "recommended" the action, but it was within the UCI's remit to follow the recommendation.

"the UCI welcomes the strong decisions taken by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) on 28 February and has decided to apply them to cycling"


This bit is particularly interesting:

"As part of its decisions, the UCI Management Committee has also taken stance on sponsoring by Russian or Belarusian brands and companies. As it considers that this would damage the image of the UCI and cycling in general, such sponsoring will not be authorised. Teams and event organisers have therefore been requested not to grant any visibility to Russian or Belarusian sponsors at events on the UCI International Calendar."

https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/th...e-situation-in-ukraine/6V8FrkqsPbhbeMIc8rgb3t

 

[mididoctors]

Not quite. The IOC "recommended" the action, but it was within the UCI's remit to follow the recommendation.

"the UCI welcomes the strong decisions taken by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) on 28 February and has decided to apply them to cycling"


This bit is particularly interesting:

"As part of its decisions, the UCI Management Committee has also taken stance on sponsoring by Russian or Belarusian brands and companies. As it considers that this would damage the image of the UCI and cycling in general, such sponsoring will not be authorised. Teams and event organisers have therefore been requested not to grant any visibility to Russian or Belarusian sponsors at events on the UCI International Calendar."

https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/th...e-situation-in-ukraine/6V8FrkqsPbhbeMIc8rgb3t

The problem then is the ioc hasn't made similar ruling on Israel because etc ...... Zo nothing to follow for the UCI ...they would have to go.it alone .

 

[mididoctors]

What about aso ?

 

[Pblakeney]

It’s 6km at about 8% average, a 1km flatter then 6.5km in double digits other than the final 500m. It’s a pretty long climb by any standards and the ‘easy’ lower section is a gradient similar to most of the big climbs at the Tour. Compared to the climbs that Pidcock has been successful on (at Amstel etc.) it’s long and far more in the territory that Jonas excels in than today’s final climb was.

I guess that we simply disagree on what constitutes as long. At home 6.5kms is a long climb, in GT terms it is short. In my opinion.

 

[Pross]

I guess that we simply disagree on what constitutes as long. At home 6.5kms is a long climb, in GT terms it is short. In my opinion.

I think the difference is that you’re not including the initial 7-8% section as part of the climb for some reason even though most of the famous Tour climbs only average that (Tourmalet, Galibier, Alpe D’Huez etc.) over their entire length. Add that and it’s a 12.5km climb with a short flattish section in the middle.

 

[Adam4868]

Looking like a good day for the break today....and
for environmental reasons no spectators allowed in last Km of Bola del Mundo stage

 

[No Ta Doctor]

The problem then is the ioc hasn't made similar ruling on Israel because etc ...... Zo nothing to follow for the UCI ...they would have to go.it alone .

Absolutely, but the point here is that it's not a question of whether they are able to, it's a question of will.

 

[mjr]

Absolutely, but the point here is that it's not a question of whether they are able to, it's a question of will.

And if they will not, they must handle the foreseeable consequences of it. It's crazy for the organisers to act all surprised that IPT participation provokes protests in an area with autonomist and separatist political parties, in a country that recognised Palestinian statehood last year and is leading diplomatic efforts to persuade other European countries, or that protests get larger if there's bad news from Gaza.

So, handle it one way or the other. Yesterday, they did neither and it all looked a bit farcical.

 

[Dogtrousers]

So are we taking bets on where the finish line will be today?

 

[Pross]

And if they will not, they must handle the foreseeable consequences of it. It's crazy for the organisers to act all surprised that IPT participation provokes protests in an area with autonomist and separatist political parties, in a country that recognised Palestinian statehood last year and is leading diplomatic efforts to persuade other European countries, or that protests get larger if there's bad news from Gaza.

So, handle it one way or the other. Yesterday, they did neither and it all looked a bit farcical.

I didn't think the organisers were surprised, they seemed to be expecting it. Where they probably messed up is in inviting them in the first place, as far as I'm aware it is only the WT teams that have to be invited. I suspect that going forward we'll see WT race organisers giving them a miss although as of next season it looks like they won't get a chance unless the UCI takes action (and let's face it, reading the room isn't their forte).

 

[T4tomo]

I didn't think the organisers were surprised, they seemed to be expecting it. Where they probably messed up is in inviting them in the first place, as far as I'm aware it is only the WT teams that have to be invited. I suspect that going forward we'll see WT race organisers giving them a miss although as of next season it looks like they won't get a chance unless the UCI takes action (and let's face it, reading the room isn't their forte).

nah top 2 of the the pro level get auto invites too, So it wasn't La Vuelta specifically inviting IPT.

 

[mididoctors]

Who ever invited them they have to be uninvited now .