Let's talk diesel sensibly.

[screenman]

At the end of the day, id Diesel is so bad for the world why allow it to be sold, surley this makes the Goverments irresponsible

Yeh! let us all go back to living in caves and wearing skins.

 

[galaxy]

Well why not.

 

[galaxy]

Im just saying, if its that bad why allow it, for certain its not good. I`m one the people who believes the world is just changing naturally as well, its becoming warmer, as it has done for many years. The goverment just use the excuse for taxes.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Im just saying, if its that bad why allow it, for certain its not good. I`m one the people who believes the world is just changing naturally as well, its becoming warmer, as it has done for many years. The goverment just use the excuse for taxes.

Do you understand how the cyclical nature of the planets temperature works, and how the eco-system regulates the temperature?

 

[ufkacbln]

There is never going to be a fair comparison, as you can choose A factor that suits your agenda

A container ship can carry 12,000 containers, whereas a truck carries one or two, so if fuel consumption is in the same sort of ballpark then the figures become more respectable

Same with a bus.... If you look at the number of passengers carried then it becomes the equivalent of 30 - 40 cars and again the figures become more respectable

The issue is the way that the population has changed, jobs have changed as has the distance between relatives and even shopping

Longer distances need to be travelled on a daily basis and this needs to be accommodated somehow.

Unless there is a reverse in these trends and people start working closer to home, family units become geographically closer and the out of town shopping centre shift ceases then it will be difficult to reduce vehicle use, delivery distances etc

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Unless there is a reverse in these trends and people start working closer to home, family units become geographically closer and the out of town shopping centre shift ceases then it will be difficult to reduce vehicle use, delivery distances etc

Unfortunately, the ability to travel cheaply, and with relative ease. Has allowed quite a bit of social migration. I do a 50 mile round trip for my commute, if I worked where I lived, my earnings for the same job would be 1/2 of what I earn. However, I would never have the finances to afford to live in my place of work.

This journey needs to be done by car, as the public transport system does not operate at times where I work. I could do 3 or 4 days out of 5 on a train, but then, I need to rent a parking space by the month, at which point it is wasted money to use the train as well. If trains ran beyond 11pm then I could use them every day, save myself money, save myself time on the commute too as it is much quicker.

It's not a case of working closer to home, it's councils providing a workable public transport system, that allows people to travel at times that are relevant to modern working life. Remove the ability to travel cheaply and easily, and many who grow up in areas of poverty are stuck there.

 

[ufkacbln]

Unfortunately, the ability to travel cheaply, and with relative ease. Has allowed quite a bit of social migration. I do a 50 mile round trip for my commute, if I worked where I lived, my earnings for the same job would be 1/2 of what I earn. However, I would never have the finances to afford to live in my place of work.

This journey needs to be done by car, as the public transport system does not operate at times where I work. I could do 3 or 4 days out of 5 on a train, but then, I need to rent a parking space by the month, at which point it is wasted money to use the train as well. If trains ran beyond 11pm then I could use them every day, save myself money, save myself time on the commute too as it is much quicker.

It's not a case of working closer to home, it's councils providing a workable public transport system, that allows people to travel at times that are relevant to modern working life. Remove the ability to travel cheaply and easily, and many who grow up in areas of poverty are stuck there.

These are the very reasons why it needs the fundamental changes I mentioned.

It was not intended to criticise individuals, but to highlight the magnitude of the problem

 

[PhilDawson8270]

These are the very reasons why it needs the fundamental changes I mentioned.

It was not intended to criticise individuals, but to highlight the magnitude of the problem

I agree, I should have probably been more selective in my quotation.

I don't think "reverse in trends" is the right words. Certainly there needs to be a more sustainable solution going forwards. I don't understand why people prefer cars in all honesty.

My car commute is over 1 hour each way, it's 35 minutes including cycling to the train station by train. The train is £10 per month cheaper, not accounting for wear, and tear on the car too! On the train, I can go for a pint after work if I so desire without planning. In my car, I am just stuck sitting in traffic, with no freedom to change my plans. But, for all this, the rail operators make this option unsuitable.

 

[screenman]

Well why not.

Not enough caves I would imagine.

 

[screenman]

Im just saying, if its that bad why allow it, for certain its not good. I`m one the people who believes the world is just changing naturally as well, its becoming warmer, as it has done for many years. The goverment just use the excuse for taxes.

If the tax did not come from fuel it would have to come from somewhere else, plus the taxes we pay come back to us in services.

 

[the_mikey]

The government and other official bodies want us to believe that diesel cars are bad for our health. Well, do they ever mention buses, lorries and most of all the big container ships that travel the world 24 hours a day? .... I don't feel any guilt about driving my diesel car 10 000 miles a year and doing 65 mpg..

Diesel fetishist?

The writing is very much on the wall for diesel, improvements in battery technology, and improvements in electrosynthesis of cleaner fuels will make the shift away from diesel an easy goal for governments needing to address urban pollution problems without making people change their lifestyles much.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Well it should be this...oil barrons are the enemy

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=927

 

[ufkacbln]

Diesel fetishist?

The writing is very much on the wall for diesel, improvements in battery technology, and improvements in electrosynthesis of cleaner fuels will make the shift away from diesel an easy goal for governments needing to address urban pollution problems without making people change their lifestyles much.

Which is where it will go wrong

Diesel is at the moment a convenient scapegoat that will allow a few people to pat themselves on the back for he success of transferring vehicles from one pollutant to another

It does not tackle any of the real issues

 

[User482]

It also depends on the vehicle.

Toyota rape the planet for the chemicals needed to make Pious batteries, some of the most environmentally unpleasant extraction techniques in existence. By the time they've done that, shipped them from Japan to the other side of the planet and parked them in the showroom floor they've accounted for more emissions that many regular cars through build, a typical lifetime of use, and dismantling/recycling. Once 100,000 miles have passed you're far better, in environmental terms, to carry on driving a petrol Peugeot 107 than buy a new Pious. Indeed, having owned a Pious and 3 x 107s in succession you're using less fuel in the 107 to start with, so to carry on using it freely would still be less polluting than a new Pious.

There was a paper some years ago making a similar argument, but it was full of elementary mistakes, and was widely ridiculed at the time.

 

[galaxy]

Which is where it will go wrong

Diesel is at the moment a convenient scapegoat that will allow a few people to pat themselves on the back for he success of transferring vehicles from one pollutant to another

It does not tackle any of the real issues

Part of exactly what im saying, im not against taxes, but for the right reason.