Missing Girl in Wales...

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Rabbit

Regular
Location
Hampshire
Thanks rabbit , to my shame I never considered that

Hi Cress, no reason why you should; I only know because I've covered some of these court cases for the media and seen how
it works. Almost all media outlets respect this anonymity rule - and if they don't the Editors end up in court! As for the man being questioned by police at the moment, it's just that - questioning. People shouldn't jump to conclusions but you can understand how fierce the feelings must be in that village at the moment.
 

mrandmrspoves

Middle aged bald git.
Location
Narfuk
Yes this is very worrying and we all hope for a good outcome.....sadly we know from experience not to expect one.
Would I have let my 5 year old out playing unsupervised at 7pm? ......No - nor at 2pm or any other time.
Do I think there is a paedophile in every street? .....No (although the bloke at number 30 looks a bit dodgy and has bushy eye brows so definitely not to be trusted!)
It is not useful to blame the parents, but it is useful for people to accept that we do not (and never have) lived in a society where children are not vulnerable to abuse. That abuse may be physical, emotional, or sexual and these forms of abuse happen in all parts of our society. We can all play a part in trying to protect our children (by this I mean the children in our society as well as within our own family) by being aware of this and never being too trusting and always raising any genuine fears or suspicions we have with the appropriate authorities.
The most valuable thing a parent has is their child/children so why leave them unattended? Would you leave any of your other possessions unattended......like your bicycle?
Perverts and child killers are not new - go back to Hindley and Brady almost 50 years ago.
Fortunately such people are rare - but we know they exist and they must exist in communities across the country, and this potentially means yours.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
The most valuable thing a parent has is their child/children so why leave them unattended? Would you leave any of your other possessions unattended......like your bicycle?

Well, I leave them all unattended, I "think" they are out enjoying themselves, I've had 3 bikes stolen to date but no children..............yet. The chances of it happening are infinitesimal so they will continue to enjoy their lives without an omnipresent guardian.
 

mrandmrspoves

Middle aged bald git.
Location
Narfuk
We all parent differently and we vary in our degree of willingness to take risks. Ask yourself this though.... if a child was abducted from an area near you tomorrow, would that change your behaviour? My answer would have been no - because I had already acknowledged the risk and acted a accordingly.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
We all parent differently and we vary in our degree of willingness to take risks. Ask yourself this though.... if a child was abducted from an area near you tomorrow, would that change your behaviour? My answer would have been no - because I had already acknowledged the risk and acted a accordingly.

Depends if the abductor was still at large, otherwise no, my behaviour would not change. The chances of it happening would still remain infinitesimal, obviously.
 

Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
Anyone who claims to never have left a five year old out of their sight for short periods of time is kidding only themselves. And if you think doing so is too high a risk then for God's sake never leave a child alone with a grandfather, uncle, cousin, neighbour, teacher, vicar or youth worker because that is when 99% of abuse happens, not after being snatched off the street by a stranger.
 

mrandmrspoves

Middle aged bald git.
Location
Narfuk
From my viewpoint youre wrong because the abductor is already out there somewhere.....what is missing so far is their opportunity.
I am not saying my viewpoint is right....just right for me and my children.....who incidentally are all adults now.
 

mrandmrspoves

Middle aged bald git.
Location
Narfuk
Anyone who claims to never have left a five year old out of their sight for short periods of time is kidding only themselves. And if you think doing so is too high a risk then for God's sake never leave a child alone with a grandfather, uncle, cousin, neighbour, teacher, vicar or youth worker because that is when 99% of abuse happens, not after being snatched off the street by a stranger.
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You are of course correct in saying that most abusers are known to the family. I didn't leave my children unattended in a public area when they were 5, 6 or 7, again I'm not judging those that do.....just not what I thought was right... About 25 years ago a relative took the mickey out of me because I had spent a considerable amount of money on a gadget called a smoke detector. A year later after he and his family had nearly died when one of their night storage heaters caught fire in the middle of the night, he spent a considerable amount more than I had getting a system installed. Stable door.......
 

Yellow Fang

Legendary Member
Location
Reading
I think one thing that should be remembered is that these child abductions are news because they are rare and dramatic. It's sad to say, but children die in traffic accidents, other accidents and illnesses but do not make national news. Children should be allowed to play out of doors. They should not be raised to live in fear.
 

mark st1

Plastic Manc
Location
Leafy Berkshire
My son is 9 nearly 10 he isnt allowed to play out the front or go out up the park without me or mum with him. My step-daughter is 17 i would rather go out at 2am to pick her up from a party rather than her get a taxi train bus etc. simply because i dont trust anyone. Weather you or agree or dissagree with that i really couldnt care they are my kids and thats what we choose to do.

Everyone is entitled to there own views i would just never assume my child would be safe just cos its usually a safe area. As far as i know children dont just get taken from rough run down built up areas with a high crime rate ?
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
Like others have said, these cases are extremely rare and no matter how many safeguards you use one incident like this will occur thankfully only every ten years or so. You all seem to be arguing amongst yourselves as to who is to blame for the poor girls disappearance when the only one to blame is the monster who stole her from her loving parents to use for his evil twisted ends!
 

Mad Doug Biker

Banned from every bar in the Galaxy
Location
Craggy Island
My son is 9 nearly 10 he isnt allowed to play out the front or go out up the park without me or mum with him. My step-daughter is 17 i would rather go out at 2am to pick her up from a party rather than her get a taxi train bus etc. simply because i dont trust anyone. Weather you or agree or dissagree with that i really couldnt care they are my kids and thats what we choose to do.
Everyone is entitled to there own views i would just never assume my child would be safe just cos its usually a safe area. As far as i know children dont just get taken from rough run down built up areas with a high crime rate ?

Just don't do that for many years longer otherwise you'll have a boy who is scared of his own shadow and consequently a burden on everyone around him when older.....
Cotton wool kid, cotton wool adult.... I doubt you want Woody Allen as a son do you?

Safety is one thing, but who are you creating in your climate of fear and distrust of everyone around you?
I saw a thing on the telly recently about a family who NEVER let their kids out of their sight (within reason I mean). I felt so sorry for the kids, really, I did, especially the oldest kid who was 18 and, rather pathetically was still scared of open water amongst other things, I mean FFS, how contemptible and feeble is that? I kind of expected him to produce a comfort blanket or suck his thumb at any second.

There is control, and then there's corrosive overkill, and if I was I that situation, I'd probably move out at the first available opportunity where they couldn't control freak me!

......Actually, that's a lie, I'd be scared sh*tless of everything and everyone, so, yes, thanks a lot! :rolleyes:


Promise me you won't let him get like that!
 

Mad Doug Biker

Banned from every bar in the Galaxy
Location
Craggy Island
Oh talking of which, I was at the 'Lympics a few weeks back and say a boy of about 10 still sucking his thumb. Of course, I don't know the circumstances, but it did seem decidedly odd to me!
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
From my viewpoint youre wrong because the abductor is already out there somewhere.....what is missing so far is their opportunity.
I am not saying my viewpoint is right....just right for me and my children.....who incidentally are all adults now.

How am I wrong? An abductor is always "out there", an "opportunity" is always there, however, the risk remains infinitesimal!

I'd suggest that the ratio of abducted children is very small compared to teenage deaths and inflicted injuries, the older they get the higher the risk that something may happen to your child. So, did you chaperone them till they were 20, through their riskiest years? If not why not?
 
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User482

Guest
Would I have let my 5 year old out playing unsupervised at 7pm? .......

If you go down that line of reasoning, you'd better stop putting your child in your car, taking them for a walk, or going cycling...
 
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