MP For West Dunbartonshire

[glasgowcyclist]

If drivers cannot see and safely negotiate a slower car in lane 1 of a two lane road then they're the danger not anyone else.

And don't forget that her original tweet was a complaint that the cyclist's team car "was blocking a whole lane...!". It was only after being criticised that she tried to spin her tweet as concern for road safety.

Her comments suggest to me that had that team car not been there, she would have been happy to see following drivers skimming the cyclist rather than use lane 2 and that's wrong.


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[User6179]

If drivers cannot see and safely negotiate a slower car in lane 1 of a two lane road then they're the danger not anyone else.

And don't forget that her original tweet was a complaint that the cyclist's team car "was blocking a whole lane...!". It was only after being criticised that she tried to spin her tweet as concern for road safety.

Her comments suggest to me that had that team car not been there, she would have been happy to see following drivers skimming the cyclist rather than use lane 2 and that's wrong.


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Are you saying it is dangerous or not ?

Your right by saying If drivers cannot see and safely negotiate a slower car in lane 1 of a two lane road then they're the danger not anyone else, the problem is they cant and that's why it is dangerous!!!!!!

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Are you saying it is dangerous or not ?

Your right by saying If drivers cannot see and safely negotiate a slower car in lane 1 of a two lane road then they're the danger not anyone else, the problem is they cant and that's why it is dangerous!!!!!!

If it's the poor skills of the following drivers that creates the danger, that should be the focus of the MP's concern. Criticising the cyclist or the team car is deflecting attention from the real problem but then I'm sure she already realises that.


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[User6179]

If it's the poor skills of the following drivers that creates the danger, that should be the focus of the MP's concern. Criticising the cyclist or the team car is deflecting attention from the real problem but then I'm sure she already realises that.


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You make a good point but driving habits are never going to change , if there was a gun fight in your street and you decided it was your right to walk down the street regardless would you say any criticism that followed was valid ?

 

[gambatte]

You make a good point but driving habits are never going to change , ?

You reckon? Thats a rather sad opinion. One I disagree with.
As more people cycle, more driving habits change.
1, More drivers are cyclists and therefore have a better understanding.
2, More people know cyclists as family, friends, workmates and are influenced.
I know from my experience, I’m a more careful driver and those round me have been challenged to reassess their own judgement.
It’s far from perfect, but habits are already changing

 

[Markymark]

You make a good point but driving habits are never going to change , if there was a gun fight in your street and you decided it was your right to walk down the street regardless would you say any criticism that followed was valid ?

You're right. Police should focus on telling people not to go to certain parts of London rather than tackle the crime there too. They should also focus on telling women what to wear when they go out and how to behave so they don't get attacked. It's dangerous out there and the best thing everyone should do is tell the victims how to behave and change their routine to accommodate the people committing the crimes.

 

[User6179]

You're right. Police should focus on telling people not to go to certain parts of London rather than tackle the crime there too. They should also focus on telling women what to wear when they go out and how to behave so they don't get attacked. It's dangerous out there and the best thing everyone should do is tell the victims how to behave and change their routine to accommodate the people committing the crimes.

I am saying regardless of your right to do something it is foolish to do it if you know it to be dangerous , would you not agree?

 

[snorri]

but driving habits are never going to change ,

They have changed in the past and they'll continue to change.

 

[snorri]

I am saying regardless of your right to do something it is foolish to do it if you know it to be dangerous , would you not agree?

OTOH we should be challenging the bullyboys(and girls!) whilst at the same time trying to minimise the risk to ourselves.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I am saying regardless of your right to do something it is foolish to do it if you know it to be dangerous , would you not agree?

I think the question that should raise is 'what's making it dangerous?'

Cycling on any road with motorised traffic is going to have an element of risk to it but almost always that risk is not created by the cyclist. So should we place more emphasis on controlling the activities of the likely victim or the likely perpetrator?

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[User6179]

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I think the question that should raise is 'what's making it dangerous?'

Cycling on any road with motorised traffic is going to have an element of risk to it but almost always that risk is not created by the cyclist. So should we place more emphasis on controlling the activities of the likely victim or the likely perpetrator?

On the perpetrator obviously but I cant see how you can ever make it safe for cyclists on these busy dual carriageways by trying to educate drivers , just wont happen .

Btw what does it matter for a safety perspective who creates the danger , if it is dangerous it is dangerous !

 

[martint235]

Cycling on a dual carriageway isn't dangerous. It on occasion may not be pleasant but I've cycled hundreds of miles on dual carriageways without a single incident. I find, if anything, that narrow country lanes freak me out particularly in rush hour as people leave their little country houses and bomb along single track lanes, round blind bends in their rush to join the traffic queue on the dual carriageway.

Perhaps we should just all stop cycling?

 

[gambatte]

Perhaps we should just all stop cycling?

Amount of deaths on the road, maybe we should just close them to all motorised traffic. Only let people on them if they prove they can handle a vehicle by means of ... say a test. Get them licenced to operate these massive lumps of metal.

Can’t see it catching on though.....

 

[User6179]

Cycling on a dual carriageway isn't dangerous. It on occasion may not be pleasant but I've cycled hundreds of miles on dual carriageways without a single incident. I find, if anything, that narrow country lanes freak me out particularly in rush hour as people leave their little country houses and bomb along single track lanes, round blind bends in their rush to join the traffic queue on the dual carriageway.

Perhaps we should just all stop cycling?

Your right it is not dual carriageways that are dangerous but the drivers who use them especially in the rush hour , you must have more faith in the average motorists ability than I do to want to cycle hundreds of miles on dual carriageways

 

[martint235]

Your right it is not dual carriageways that are dangerous but the drivers who use them especially in the rush hour , you must have more faith in the average motorists ability than I do to want to cycle hundreds of miles on dual carriageways

As I said, DCs offer you and the motorist (if they choose to use it) a lot of space that just isn't there on other roads. Motorists need to learn about cyclists, cyclists' behaviour and how a cyclist is likely to react to a given situation. Unfortunately they aren't going to learn unless they encounter us and so we should continue to put ourselves out there rather than shying away from what is only a perceived danger.