No substitute for a car?

[srw]

Is it just me, or is this gibberish?

Is it linf, by any chance? If so, yes.

 

[subaqua]

Feck me, you're hard work as well.

No you are right, in an ideal world with pots of money, and no need to balance things, I'd just pay way over the odds for someone else to run the vehicle to do what mine does, and take a hit on any other call out fee's they want to impose.

You don't need a cycle either, it just fits in with your lifestyle. Why not just change your lifestyle and then it is sorted ?

Caveat - We are now running the yard as a business with paying customers. Transport costs make buying of stuff unviable if delivery charges are imposed all the time.

Nobody NEEDS a 4x4. theres thousands of smaller vehicles that will pull a trailer full of hay that don't use as much fuel or take up as much space on the roads , and probably don't have some of the blindspots your WP has.

yes i used to own a WP, but i got rid of it as it was drinking too much fuel and, rightly ,was charged a horrendous VED. after seeing it sat outside the house day after day not moving ( apologies to Cloeridge) - as idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean- it went. that was over a month ago , and i haven't missed it once.

 

[G2EWS]

Is this thread about needing a car or a 4 x 4 or a bike or something else?

If it is about 'having' to own and use a 4 x 4 then I'm afraid I am one of those people. I 'have' to go off road in some inhospitable locations across the country to carry out radio surveys. Without it, I would be unable to carry on my business.

Regards

Chris

 

[Linford]

Nobody NEEDS a 4x4. theres thousands of smaller vehicles that will pull a trailer full of hay that don't use as much fuel or take up as much space on the roads , and probably don't have some of the blindspots your WP has.

yes i used to own a WP, but i got rid of it as it was drinking too much fuel and, rightly ,was charged a horrendous VED. after seeing it sat outside the house day after day not moving ( apologies to Cloeridge) - as idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean- it went. that was over a month ago , and i haven't missed it once.

You are getting your kniickers in a twist with this one.

Whilst I use it for moving stull around, it is ultimately animal transport, and used for boxing them to events, or occasionally to decent hacking which is too far off the other side of the urban sprawl to entertain wanting to ride through it.
My 4x4 was only bought after I towed my 2 horse trailer with a normal medium sized car which was rated at 1400kg kerb weight. It was downright scary as the trailer with even just one horse pushed the car around like the tail wagging the dog.

The trailer with a single animal weighs 1500kg and with 2 animals it is up to 2000kg. Not only would it be willfully stupid to make a habit of this with a smaller vehicle, it is also illegal exceeding the MAM ofthe combination, and that not only puts myself and my cargo in danger, but also exposes others on the road to unneccessary risk. My consideration of other people costs me a lot of money which given the choice I'd rather spend on a foreign holiday, or other toys (like a nice carbon roadie )

Have you ever heard the term 'redundant capacity' ?

I can entirely understand you living in London and feeling a bit of guilt as they are only used up there for vanity purposes, and in the 'I'm bigger than you so I take priority' contests which you Londoners all seem to take part in, but out my way, there are a lot of these vehicles which are used for the purposes they are intended, and are proper workhorses in the true sense of the word.

How much money did your 4x4 vanity vehicle cost you in purchase cost and depreciation anyway ?

 

[Linford]

Is this thread about needing a car or a 4 x 4 or a bike or something else?

If it is about 'having' to own and use a 4 x 4 then I'm afraid I am one of those people. I 'have' to go off road in some inhospitable locations across the country to carry out radio surveys. Without it, I would be unable to carry on my business.

Regards

Chris

Common sense has no place in this argument

 

[400bhp]

Is this thread about needing a car or a 4 x 4 or a bike or something else?

If it is about 'having' to own and use a 4 x 4 then I'm afraid I am one of those people. I 'have' to go off road in some inhospitable locations across the country to carry out radio surveys. Without it, I would be unable to carry on my business.

Regards

Chris

I think we'll give you that one Chris.

 

[400bhp]

Common sense has no place in this argument

You say argument, I say discussion.

Perhaps that says something about your mindset when posting?

 

[green1]

Nobody NEEDS a 4x4. theres thousands of smaller vehicles that will pull a trailer full of hay that don't use as much fuel or take up as much space on the roads , and probably don't have some of the blindspots your WP has.

yes i used to own a WP, but i got rid of it as it was drinking too much fuel and, rightly ,was charged a horrendous VED. after seeing it sat outside the house day after day not moving ( apologies to Cloeridge) - as idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean- it went. that was over a month ago , and i haven't missed it once.

What smaller vehicle is legally able to tow a 1 ton trailer with a 1.5~2 ton load in the trailer?

 

[Linford]

What smaller vehicle is legally able to tow a 1 ton trailer with a 1.5~2 ton load in the trailer?

The law is determined by the MAM, but the safe rule of thumb guide offered by the caravan club, and most other towing guides is to not exceed 85% of the cars kerb weight with the laden trailer.

I consider that what is legal isn't always a safe margin.

Vehicle perforrmance or engine size has nothing to do with towing capacity

 

[green1]

Absolutely, that's hence why we have a range rover. Before that we had a soft roader (x-trail) and it wasn't up to the job.
Vehicle performance does matter in that you need something with plenty of torque if you want to be safe.

 

[Linford]

Absolutely, that's hence why we have a range rover. Before that we had a soft roader (x-trail) and it wasn't up to the job.
Vehicle performance does matter in that you need something with plenty of torque if you want to be safe.

Whilst you have made a good choice in going for a range rover as a towing car, the performance in terms of torque or BHP isn't what makes it safer. It is the physical mass of it which is the determining factor. Other things which make a big difference is ensuring that the tow ball height is correct on the back of the car which should be between 15" & 18" from the ground to the top of the ball, as when this is wrong, the trailer or caravan centre of gravity is displaced, and that can either lift the back end ofthe car up or push it down which has a big effect on the amount of weight over the front wheels of the car. THis is why you see them jack knifing on the motorway after a big weave. IMO if the car has a tow bar, the ball height should be measured for compliance as part of its MOT

 

[DRHysted]

One thing I learnt when I owned (and used properly) an offroad vehicle, was that people that hated them never let things like facts cloud their opinions.

I sold it when it was nolonger needed, and I miss it dreadfully, as It saved my life at least twice.

When I changed down to a normal estate car, a person at work told me I didn't need an estate as I was the only person he ever saw in the car. I asked him how he knew what I needed as he didn't live my life.
The reason for adding this little paragraph is that whenever I see a thread where someone who doesn't know the other person, has the God like knowledge to tell them what they actually need to live, when they don't know squat about the other person, makes my pee boil. Unless you are living their life you don't know what they need.

 

[Linford]

One thing I learnt when I owned (and used properly) an offroad vehicle, was that people that hated them never let things like facts cloud their opinions.

I sold it when it was nolonger needed, and I miss it dreadfully, as It saved my life at least twice.

When I changed down to a normal estate car, a person at work told me I didn't need an estate as I was the only person he ever saw in the car. I asked him how he knew what I needed as he didn't live my life.
The reason for adding this little paragraph is that whenever I see a thread where someone who doesn't know the other person, has the God like knowledge to tell them what they actually need to live, when they don't know squat about the other person, makes my pee boil. Unless you are living their life you don't know what they need.

Wise words indeed, but the haters have already got their fingers in their ears.....

 

[400bhp]

One thing I learnt when I owned (and used properly) an offroad vehicle, was that people that hated them never let things like facts cloud their opinions.

I sold it when it was nolonger needed, and I miss it dreadfully, as It saved my life at least twice.

When I changed down to a normal estate car, a person at work told me I didn't need an estate as I was the only person he ever saw in the car. I asked him how he knew what I needed as he didn't live my life.
The reason for adding this little paragraph is that whenever I see a thread where someone who doesn't know the other person, has the God like knowledge to tell them what they actually need to live, when they don't know squat about the other person, makes my pee boil. Unless you are living their life you don't know what they need.

Define need.

 

[Linford]

You say argument, I say discussion.

Perhaps that says something about your mindset when posting?

Well I've had similar discussions with subaqua and others on here over the years, and they always start as discussions, but always end up with both sides having to argue a case for their POV because nobody wants to give any ground or listen to the other side.

Do I need a motorbike with 670bhp per tonne at the back wheel in the same way which you have a car with 400bhp ? - no, but I want it and that is my justification.

The requirement for the 4x4 is a utility one for me and is an extension of the horse ownership to help improve the VFM of them in so many ways, and to help reduce my reliance on others to fetch and cary the things which we use.
I get my shavings for bedding free from my mate who runs a joinery company in Stroud. Using the 4x4 and trailer, I can bring back the best part of a tonne of them in five or six 1 tonne rubble sacks and that costs me about £20 in fuel. A compressed bale of these shavings from my local pet supplier would cost about £10 and amount to roughly a quarter of one of these full rubble sacks so economicaly a sensible move for me to use my own transport for collection.

My mate would also have to pay landfil charges if I didn't have them off him so the arrangement is good for him, and good for me....