No wonder many dislike cyclists

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Andy in Germany

Legendary Member
Yes. It's amazing how many countries have it, and yet moaning pessimists in the UK (including many cyclists!) claim it would never work here, would be unfair, and lead to cyclists throwing themselves in front of cars...

I remember frequently getting frustrated in the UK when this conversation was repeated on different themes:
"We couldn't possibly do that: it wouldn't work/everyone would die/they sky would fall on our heads."
"But here's a list of places in Europe that already do [fairly simple idea] and it worked for several decades."
"Well, maybe, but... it still wouldn't work... because... reasons. Also. It's different here. Also, the sky would fall on our heads if we did it."

Another variation was suggesting something that looked flashy, but which was unproven, far more complex, and more expensive than the solution being used elsewhere for decades: It seems to be a very British problem.
 

blackrat

Über Member
Mod Edit:
The Grammar Nazi(see rules)/Nitpicking/OT post that Andy is answering to, has been deleted ^_^

Are you referring to me?
 

brommieinkorea

Senior Member
Location
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I literally had to look up what a floating bus stop is, certainly don't have any around my way.

From what I can gather all this new "cycling/pedestrian friendly" infrastructure in cities is trying to get more people onto bikes, similar to Holland and the likes.

If we're currently only in the infant stages of achieving this dream, and we're having problems now, then what's it going to be like when every woman, man and their dogs are riding bikes!

Well, it won't be near as dangerous as it is now in the USA with every idiot who can make an x and pass a ridiculously easy test driving a car.
 

katiewlx

Senior Member
I think we just have to accept that the UK has a fair amount of aggressive immature idiots who do not respect anyone else whatever the situation. Sadly when this attitude is had on the road, we end up with a dangerous mess. I usually go cycle touring in Netherlands and Belgium a few times a year, but went to France for a tour this year as well. Again, another country in mainland Europe where I was treated with utter respect, whether in cities or out on country roads. No idiots on small bendy lanes overtaking me at 60 mph on blind bends (happens regularly in UK), no closes passes, no horn honking by impatient fools, no verbal abuse shouted at me, just patient respectful drivers. I was on a campsite in Normandy and got talking to an elderly Dutch man who was touring with his wife. I asked if he had cycled in UK...once was the reply, never again. He went on to say that he and his wife were cycling in Suffolk, their first ride in the UK, not so long ago. They lasted barely 1 hour before cycling back to the campsite. He said they had so many closes passes, some at over 50mph, and had one moron shout and swear at them. The road they were on was the A12 at Brantham, nothing major, I cycle it a lot and can attest to their experience. He said it was sad as the UK is a beautiful country but the roads were like the wild west. Funnily enough on my way back after arriving in Newhaven on the ferry, I turned right out of the port and there was a french family, straight off the boat, all on bikes, and some bonehead in a white van went wizzing past them honking his horn. As for zebra crossings, almost weekly I am stood at one and a car just goes wizzing past with the driver just staring forward. On occasion I have gestured and had the driver open their window to tell me to eff off. What a sad pathetic little land we are.

a137 at Brantham ? I wouldnt ride that bit between Brantham & Jimmys farm, its too dangerous on a bicycle now. and I wouldnt ride on the A12 down that end of the county, I have done on occasion, and it was as scary as youd expect. Its not even that much fun nearer my end of the county, when its often single carriageway, but you are somewhat forced to cross it occasionally to get anywhere.
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
I am happy for you.

I think you may have missed my point.
 

blackrat

Über Member
I thought the crucial question in an American driving test was how many sides does a stop sign have.
This was told to me on numerous times out there in the late 70’s early 80’s.

40 - 50 years ago, well, that certainly makes it current.

I do not understand why you and others set so much store in how difficult the test is, in the UK or in the US. You all write about how appalling UK drivers are, so why are you so adamant the test makes any difference.
 

blackrat

Über Member
I will add that speed is the number one cause of road crashes in the US and many of those on the interstate highway system and comparable roads with impatient and inattentive driving having a major impact. In the UK it is mainly the inadequate road system coupled with impatience. Crashes in the US occurring at higher speeds are more likely to result in fatalities. If I am driving on an interstate (motorway) at 80 MPH, I will be in the way of traffic reaching 100 MPH.
But, it is not a competition, no matter what some of the posters want to make it; one crash or one death on the roads in the UK and the US is still one too many.
 

Andy in Germany

Legendary Member
Well, it won't be near as dangerous as it is now in the USA with every idiot who can make an x and pass a ridiculously easy test driving a car.

In the same vein it would be interesting to compare the standards and eligibility of a British to European driving licence. I know when I passed my test in Germany it was more difficult than the British test at the time. As someone at the time said: "it's hard to get and easy to lose, so drivers are better trained and more careful".
Presumed liability came up every lesson, on every crossing and every cycleway: it was drilled into you that you were essentially responsible for the safety of pedestrians and cyclists whenever you drove a car.
 
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