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[Julia9054]

Going off topic a litte (it is my thread after all ) The village where my eldest daughter lives has a lovely old church. The bells have been chiming there since the 1400hs, and chiming the hour since the late 1700s. A wonderful piece of history, much beloved by the locals.

But lo! Along comes Johnny property developer, and a dozen of so "executive" homes are built on a piece of scrap land. You know the sort, made from Lego, all slightly different but still identikit looking, on a parcel of land barely bigger than the house itself, obligatory 5 series/Jag F Pace parked outside? Anyway, people who like paying top dollar to be crammed in with their like minded systems analysts and middle managers aren't the sort who are tolerant of noise, and thanks to a few complaints by the new lot the environmental health folk have had no choice but to silence the bells. If even a single person complains, and the complaint is found to be genuine, they have to act - the fact the nose was present 600 years before they moved in and is positively welcomed by the other 498 villagers is neither here nor there.

In my old house, my mad old lady next door neighbour used to do that too. Fortunately, they had the good sense to ignore her.
Unfortunately, she used to regularly report us to the noise police too which was less funny

 

[Edwardoka]

Going off topic a litte (it is my thread after all ) The village where my eldest daughter lives has a lovely old church. The bells have been chiming there since the 1400hs, and chiming the hour since the late 1700s. A wonderful piece of history, much beloved by the locals.

But lo! Along comes Johnny property developer, and a dozen of so "executive" homes are built on a piece of scrap land. You know the sort, made from Lego, all slightly different but still identikit looking, on a parcel of land barely bigger than the house itself, obligatory 5 series/Jag F Pace parked outside? Anyway, people who like paying top dollar to be crammed in with their like minded systems analysts and middle managers aren't the sort who are tolerant of noise, and thanks to a few complaints by the new lot the environmental health folk have had no choice but to silence the bells. If even a single person complains, and the complaint is found to be genuine, they have to act - the fact the noise was present 600 years before they moved in and is positively welcomed by the other 498 villagers is neither here nor there.

You should go round their area of an evening and fly post something like "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, because you've brought about the end of the bells. Guess what that makes you?"

Bells are a strange thing to get het up about. I've lived in a couple of villages with audible church bells, hell my last house backed onto a church and aside from the spoopiness of walking past the cemetery in the dark, it's fine. You quickly tune it out. Conversely St. Mary's Church in Dundee is obnoxiously, painfully loud and can be heard for miles around.

 

[mjr]

Going off topic a litte (it is my thread after all ) The village where my eldest daughter lives has a lovely old church. The bells have been chiming there since the 1400hs, and chiming the hour since the late 1700s. A wonderful piece of history, much beloved by the locals.

But lo! Along comes Johnny property developer, and a dozen of so "executive" homes are built on a piece of scrap land. You know the sort, made from Lego, all slightly different but still identikit looking, on a parcel of land barely bigger than the house itself, obligatory 5 series/Jag F Pace parked outside? Anyway, people who like paying top dollar to be crammed in with their like minded systems analysts and middle managers aren't the sort who are tolerant of noise, and thanks to a few complaints by the new lot the environmental health folk have had no choice but to silence the bells. If even a single person complains, and the complaint is found to be genuine, they have to act - the fact the noise was present 600 years before they moved in and is positively welcomed by the other 498 villagers is neither here nor there.

Silenced 11-7 overnight, or all the time? If overnight, I can understand it and that the church has been committing offences against the local population for many years doesn't mean it should be allowed to continue. We could say similar about plenty of other dodgy practices of churches!

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Silenced 11-7 overnight, or all the time? If overnight, I can understand it and that the church has been committing offences against the local population for many years doesn't mean it should be allowed to continue. We could say similar about plenty of other dodgy practices of churches!

Bit of a stretch!

 

[Drago]

Surely the obvious thing is don't move somewhere if you don't like it? You would think they'd have noticed this when viewing the house, or their survey would mention it's within 200 metres of a Church, but no, it always has to be someone else who has to change to accommodate them.

 

[classic33]

Silenced 11-7 overnight, or all the time? If overnight, I can understand it and that the church has been committing offences against the local population for many years doesn't mean it should be allowed to continue. We could say similar about plenty of other dodgy practices of churches!

On a similar note.
How do you legally keep cattle quiet during the hours of darkness?

Explain what's dodgy/illega about a church letting people know the time. You've classed it as a "dodgy practice".

 

[mjr]

Surely the obvious thing is don't move somewhere if you don't like it? You would think they'd have noticed this when viewing the house, or their survey would mention it's within 200 metres of a Church, but no, it always has to be someone else who has to change to accommodate them.

I doubt many surveys are done between 11pm and 7am, or check whether a nearby church bell currently complies with the law for at least the last 20 years. Surely the obvious thing is just to stop ringing the bells

On a similar note.
How do you legally keep cattle quiet during the hours of darkness?

You can't completely so you just don't keep them next to people's homes, but few of them make noises every 15-60 minutes through the night.

Explain what's dodgy/illega about a church letting people know the time. You've classed it as a "dodgy practice".

Loudly telling people the time frequently 24x7 both "unreasonably and substantially interfere with the use or enjoyment of a home or other premises" and is likely to "injure health or be likely to injure health", both of which are illegal nuisances. It's not the letting them know the time as such, although that's surely unnecessary these days, but leaving people no break in it to sleep.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

I doubt many surveys are done between 11pm and 7am, or check whether a nearby church bell currently complies with the law for at least the last 20 years. Surely the obvious thing is just to stop ringing the bells

Loudly telling people the time frequently 24x7 both "unreasonably and substantially interfere with the use or enjoyment of a home or other premises" and is likely to "injure health or be likely to injure health", both of which are illegal nuisances. It's not the letting them know the time as such, although that's surely unnecessary these days, but leaving people no break in it to sleep.

Sorry completely disagree with you here, if you don;t want the bells don't move there stop being an arrogant bleep, move there & complain. Now if you lived there & they built a church that then rang bells that would be different.

 

[classic33]

I doubt many surveys are done between 11pm and 7am, or check whether a nearby church bell currently complies with the law for at least the last 20 years. Surely the obvious thing is just to stop ringing the bells


You can't completely so you just don't keep them next to people's homes, but few of them make noises every 15-60 minutes through the night.


Loudly telling people the time frequently 24x7 both "unreasonably and substantially interfere with the use or enjoyment of a home or other premises" and is likely to "injure health or be likely to injure health", both of which are illegal nuisances. It's not the letting them know the time as such, although that's surely unnecessary these days, but leaving people no break in it to sleep.

There's cows in a field, less than 800 yards from me all year round. Their bawling at 04:00, every morning, is accepted as part and parcel of where I live by me. As is the S**t spreading and the smell in the air from it. You'd be suprised at how often they make noise, a lot more than you think and often for longer than any bell sounding.

Using your argument, quality of life, I'll try and bring the thread back on topic by saying there's many who could use it to get roads shut to motor traffic. People would then have to walk everywhere.

 

[Bazzer]

Ha ha.

It seems that the powers-that-be can't quite make up their minds what county Todmorden is now in... I have a Yorkshire council and a Lancashire post code. Forms on some websites insist on me using Lancashire as my county and others insist on West Yorkshire! Historically, the county boundary went down the middle of the Town Hall.

IIRC in the mid to late 80s, Council Tax paid to Halifax, an Oldham post code and telephone services provided by an exchange in Blackburn.

 

[classic33]

IIRC in the mid to late 80s, Council Tax paid to Halifax, an Oldham post code and telephone services provided by an exchange in Blackburn.

Nowt much has changed thi nos.

 

[mjr]

There's cows in a field, less than 800 yards from me all year round. Their bawling at 04:00, every morning, is accepted as part and parcel of where I live by me. As is the S**t spreading and the smell in the air from it. You'd be suprised at how often they make noise, a lot more than you think and often for longer than any bell sounding.

There are cows are less than 500m from my home and I think you're wrong about them being noisier than bells at that distance but the church in our village is a private house now so I've no recent comparison. (Norfolk - especially Norwich - often comes near the top of the most godless places.)

Using your argument, quality of life, I'll try and bring the thread back on topic by saying there's many who could use it to get roads shut to motor traffic. People would then have to walk everywhere.

1. Not my argument, or even the one from law that I referenced earlier.
2. There might be other non motorised ways for people to get around quietly...

 

[classic33]

There are cows are less than 500m from my home and I think you're wrong about them being noisier than bells but the church in our village is a private house now so I've no recent comparison. (Norfolk - especially Norwich - often comes near the top of the most godless places.)


1. Not my argument, or even the one from law that I referenced earlier.
2. There might be other non motorised ways for people to get around quietly...

I can go 200 yards in the opposite direction, and get cows now. But they're not there all year round. And nowhere did I say they're noisier than bells, you've seen something thats not been said again.

Church bell is a 1/4 mile away, only recently silenced, ending a 400 year practice, by new build owners.

 

[mjr]

I can go 200 yards in the opposite direction, and get cows now. But they're not there all year round. And nowhere did I say they're noisier than bells, you've seen something thats not been said again.

A bit like "quality of life" wasn't in my post, but sorry anyway. Two misreads doesn't make a right.

I have never been woken up by cows despite living that near them (but not all year either - aren't most cows moved between fields?) while I have been woken up by church bells at 7am sometimes when in other places (I didn't need to be awake then. I guess they were silenced overnight.)

Church bell is a 1/4 mile away, only recently silenced, ending a 400 year practice, by new build owners.

Ok if only overnight, else the church is being petty IMO.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

while I have been woken up by church bells at 7am sometimes when in other places (I didn't need to be awake then. I guess they were silenced overnight.)
Ok if only overnight, else the church is being petty IMO.

Isn't this a pot/kettle situation?