Old v/s Modern bikes

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by johnnyb47, 3 Dec 2018.

  1. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

    I've never bothered about what material a frame is made of as long as it's not cheap crap. They all have their merits and drawbacks, if they fit well they're nice to ride.
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  2. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Yes and if it's for touring a few scratches hardly matter.

    I recently converted my bought-new (but economically end of line) beautiful Reynolds steel 26 inch Ridgeback Adventure exped bike into an old bike by leaning it fully loaded against a concrete post only to see it slip, ding the frame slightly and scratching the paint up most of the top tube. At first a bit gutted, I have roughly painted it over and protected it and just ride on.
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  3. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

  4. rogerzilla

    rogerzilla Guru

    I prefer the old ones but, for a stupidly hilly fast ride, I'd take the 17lb carbon thing. It's ugly and noisy and not all that plush, but 5lb less uphill makes it worth it.
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  5. galaxy

    galaxy Über Member

    Not much point me having a light weight bike. I’m 3 stone overweight.
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  6. CarlP

    CarlP La-Dee-Rhum-Buckedee-Ni-Ni-Nooo

    I don’t know what relevance the TdF link has to the thread . Would you care to clarify?
  7. IanSmithCSE

    IanSmithCSE Über Member

    Good morning,

    For me there is a point where old steel bikes are best left in the past, the TdF thread was intended as link to the type of steel bike that for me was something that I was pleased to upgrade away from.

    Excluding the bottom end of the market by the 1980s non alloy steel frames, steel rimmed wheels, steel chainsets and racing half guards had mostly been replaced by alloy steels (501/531) frames and alloy 700c wheels and alloy chainsets.

    During the 1980s I had both a Raleigh Record Sprint 501 and a Raleign Gran Sport 531 main tubes and Campag Nouvo Gran Sport, these are incomparable with a Raleigh Shadow/BSA Tdf.

    Yet the Raleigh Record Sprint was inflation adjusted cheaper than the Raleigh Shadow/BSA Tdf.


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  8. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Can someone educate me about the downsides of steel chainsets?
  9. rogerzilla

    rogerzilla Guru

    Cottered chainsets, which cover most solid steel chainsets, are are the work of Satan. The pins often either work loose on the road, or are seized when you need to service the BB. With careful fitting, these problems are minimised but few people or bike shops have a cotter press nowadays, or can be bothered to file pins for the optimum fit.

    Solid steel cranks are plenty stiff enough but weigh a ton. Ashtabula one-piece cranks avoid the cotter pin problem, but the BBs are badly sealed and they are even heavier.

    Some very good hollow steel chainsets have been made, e.g. Tioga Revolver and Cook Bros (for MTBs). These weren't cottered.
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  10. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    That's not even a consideration for me - when you weight 267lbs, 5lb less on the bike is utterly unnoticeable! :laugh:
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  11. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

    They don't do the job any better than aluminium chainsets and the weigh more.
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  12. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    I had the idea that steel might last longer, and hence sometimes used on certain rings?

    Not true?
  13. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Why noisy?

    Yes I do find some modern bikes verging on ugly - sometimes remind me of some 70s hotwheels cars trying too hard to impress. Or some contemporary supercars - sometimes seen growling round London.

    And though I am no patterned lug fetishist (don't much care about lugs) better not get me onto some of the god awful welding you see on some modern bikes - always makes me think of the tanks the soviets chucked out of their factories in WW2 to be hurled into the front where aesthetics meant nowt.
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  14. Alan O

    Alan O Über Member

    For a stupidly hilly fast ride, I'd choose a different cyclist :whistle:
  15. rogerzilla

    rogerzilla Guru

    My carbon bike is noisy because the big hollow "tubes" amplify cable slap and any other mechanical noise. It's a bit like the soundbox of a guitar.
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