Old v/s Modern bikes

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by johnnyb47, 3 Dec 2018.

  1. screenman

    screenman Legendary Member

    Even better than losing a race you did not know you were in.
     
  2. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Location:
    London
    Understood you the first time. Suggest you spare your paging, smileys and stick to paging yourself

    Have learned more from john about bikes than I'll ever learn from you.

    In the new year I'll be building up a frame that didn't come from a skip but was probably headed there if I hadn't bought it. I know it rides beautifully for I already have its twin. Also happens to be raleighnut's favourite bike I think.

    On your bike.
     
  3. MikeG

    MikeG Guru

    Location:
    Suffolk
    So you would average 18mph on your summer bike, and 17mph on your winter bike, roughly. You say this isn't a huge leap in performance, but it is actually a 6% difference. Over 100 miles, that's a 20 minute difference in time taken. Every mile you ride on your winter bike you fall 100 metres behind where you would have been on your summer bike. You might not think of that as substantial, but if you could ride against yourself on the two different bikes, you'd possibly see things a little differently.
     
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  4. KneesUp

    KneesUp Veteran

    #theydidthemaths
     
  5. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Location:
    London
    Thanks for detailed reply roger. Expressed myself sloppily. I really meant chain-rings. No desire to go to cotter pins. Had such things as a child but never - thank god - had any need to do anything to them for my childhood tootling.
     
  6. rogerzilla

    rogerzilla Guru

    Steel chainrings have pros and cons.

    Pros: long lasting, don't tend to develop burrs that mess up shifting or throw chains

    Cons: heavy, rust if not stainless (stainless ones are expensive - Surly made some), can be quite thin which increases chain noise.
     
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  7. fossyant

    fossyant Ride It Like You Stole It!

    Location:
    South Manchester
    There isn't much in it between my new road bike and the old bikes. The old bikes are very high spec though. The old steel bikes are more comfy. My Columbus SLX isn't flexy as it has 'rifled' tubes around the BB and head tube, but it 'zuzzes' out road imperfections better than the alloy and carbon bike.

    Biggest differences these days are MTB's - that's where bikes have changed massively, and a modern 'trail' bike is a weapon compared to an old skool 90's MTB - absolutely no comparison.
     
  8. Blue Hills

    Blue Hills ^

    Location:
    London
    Wouldn't the oil on the chain, and general friction if the bike was well used, keep the rust at bay?
     
  9. rogerzilla

    rogerzilla Guru

    Sort of, but I still got some rust in winter from the salt.
     
  10. MikeG

    MikeG Guru

    Location:
    Suffolk
    Then for you, the difference would be significantly more. A 1mph difference in speed between, say, 10mph and 11mph would mean an hour later arrival on a 100 mile ride on the winter bike for the same effort.

    My point is purely mathematical: 1mph isn't insignificant, whatever speed you cycle at, and the slower you go, the more significant it is.
     
    Last edited: 6 Dec 2018
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  11. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

    Whatever the speed difference any given weight variation gives, in my experience a lighter bike just feels nicer to ride.
     
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  12. MikeG

    MikeG Guru

    Location:
    Suffolk
    No, I was responding to the claim by the OP that his winter bike made him 1mph slower, and that this wasn't significant. I am showing that 1mph is significant, and more significant the slower you go.
     
  13. Cuchilo

    Cuchilo Prize winning member X2

    Location:
    London
    :laugh::laugh::laugh: Put your claws away sweetheart :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
  14. Alan O

    Alan O Über Member

    Location:
    Liverpool
    Whoa! I do a 100-mile charity ride once a year on my classic steel tourer, and it takes me all ****ing day! And now you're telling me I could save 20 minutes by getting a bike made from coal?! ^_^
     
    Last edited: 6 Dec 2018
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  15. Drago

    Drago Flouncing Nobber

    Location:
    Valhalla
    But then, wouldn't the more comfortable bile allow one to ride harder for longer?
     
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