On owning a Caravan, CC'ers experience?

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Hill Wimp

Fair weathered,fair minded but easily persuaded.
We are also looking for massive storage space.
We are looking at ones with twin single beds in the rear, bathroom amidships, and a half dinette behind the cab
They tend to then have a big storage door on either side and a 'garage' big enough for about 4 bikes and an inflatable canoe, plus the usual chairs and table etc.

It amazes me the low mileage that many of these vehicles have, 3,000 miles a year seems to be on the high side!
We came across a 1993 model with 16,000 on the clock!

I think what is more telling is the number of nights they have been used, as we have found low mileage ones that have spent all winter, every winter in Spain and so although only 5 years old and under 20k on the clock, they have been used as accommodation for over a year in that time, so everything looks a bit worn, all the seats need recovering, the oven and fridge need replacing, the heating is knackered, new mattresses required, and one I think had a deep fat fryer on board, so even after industrial cleaning it was 'sticky'!

We have come to the conclusion that:
No Transit van base (ideally Mercedes or Fiat)
Max 7.5m long, (ideally under7m) any longer and you start to limit where you can go
Twin rear bed layout
Ideally of German manufacture (and probably not British)

Enjoy the NEC show, but you need to be very focussed on what you want to see as it would take 2 days to see it all
Have a look at the Chausson brand. Our dealer had loads in stock. Their main feature is the garage space on all their models and believe me the spaces were huge. Most had electric points in that area to for charging sports equipment. They were very smart and appear to be really popular.
 

Hill Wimp

Fair weathered,fair minded but easily persuaded.
We have a Bailey Motorhome (Approach Compact 520). We’ve had it for almost 2 years now having done about 6500 miles in it. I have recently retired () so We’re expecting to use it extensively for the foreseeable. We’ll be setting off to Scotland once this weeks gales and snow have blown through.

I’m sure you’ll have lots of fun your camper. Do get in touch if you get stuck with anything.
We have friends in the Outer Hebs who we are visiting in May. The thought of towing the caravan up there each time we visit plus the accommodation costs was one of the main reasons we decided to get the motorhome. Seriously looking forward to travelling up there now and stopping off in places like the Cairngorms.
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
cheap as chips to camp on Harris, however not sure I'd want to take my caravan. Must admit I wish to travel further with the van but working out fuel costs when towing, it would be cheaper to drive and stay in a hotel etc .
 

Dirk

If 6 Was 9
Location
Watchet
If I was travelling further afield, or doing a long trip with a night here and a night there, I'd buy a motor home. At the moment, we tend to go somewhere and stay for a few days and have trips out locally. A caravan is more convenient, for us, in this respect.
I had thought about buying a day van to tow the caravan - best of both worlds.
 

F70100

Who, me ?
We are also looking for massive storage space.
We are looking at ones with twin single beds in the rear, bathroom amidships, and a half dinette behind the cab
They tend to then have a big storage door on either side and a 'garage' big enough for about 4 bikes and an inflatable canoe, plus the usual chairs and table etc.

It amazes me the low mileage that many of these vehicles have, 3,000 miles a year seems to be on the high side!
We came across a 1993 model with 16,000 on the clock!

I think what is more telling is the number of nights they have been used, as we have found low mileage ones that have spent all winter, every winter in Spain and so although only 5 years old and under 20k on the clock, they have been used as accommodation for over a year in that time, so everything looks a bit worn, all the seats need recovering, the oven and fridge need replacing, the heating is knackered, new mattresses required, and one I think had a deep fat fryer on board, so even after industrial cleaning it was 'sticky'!

We have come to the conclusion that:
No Transit van base (ideally Mercedes or Fiat)
Max 7.5m long, (ideally under7m) any longer and you start to limit where you can go
Twin rear bed layout
Ideally of German manufacture (and probably not British)

Enjoy the NEC show, but you need to be very focussed on what you want to see as it would take 2 days to see it all


Here you go. This is a British van though, but truly, all brands have build quality issues (if that’s the reason for your preference).

https://www.spinney.co.uk/motorhomes/used/bailey/-/2230

I think there is another example of this model on sale somewhere else which has a tow bar and bike rack fitted as well if you needed even more capacity for transporting toys. This model is no longer made and we did almost buy one of these but Mrs F70100 said she would probably find it too big to drive. She’s ok with the 6 metre though...

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http://www.goeuropean.co.uk/used-motorhome-bailey-approach-autograph-750-peugeot-130bhp-1130
 
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The Bailey looks fine. My van needs would be very different even for longer tours. I'd keep it under 6 metres because you can fit in any space, I'd keep it as narrow as possible, i.e. van width, as it makes exploring tiny lanes much easier. I'd try and get rear wheel drive in fact it would nearly be a must as front wheel drive often gets stuck as all the weight is at the back. I got stuck a few times in the first van I had. Wet grass was a challenge, never happened in the 2nd van which was rear wheel drive. Probably OK these days but the earlier Fiat's were noisy as hell and I had a noise kit fitted to mine so I could hear myself think. It was also a great relief to move to the quieter merc and away from the typical rattly interior of a coachbuilt. Height is not the problem you think it might be, just don't forget about it! I did a month tour of Europe in a 6m panel van, four of us and we went skiing in it in Germany, in snow. Diesel heating is much better than gas but if you've got gas fit a dual bottle Butane system, get yourself a long extension hose for draining the waste as well and keep the levelling chocks somewhere handy. Get yourself some wheel mats for getting off wet and boggy grass and the non slip matting for kitting out all you cupboards so nothing rattles. Absorbent sponges for mopping up after a shower. Download the, names forgotten, French and German overnight stops for when you go abroad, they are very useful, fit a reversing camera and finally, enjoy!
 
Oh and the values go down slowly, so even if you don't get on with it, you won't lose much money. I sold both vans privately, one after two years and one after about 5. I lost nothing on either.
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside
Have a look at the Chausson brand. Our dealer had loads in stock. Their main feature is the garage space on all their models and believe me the spaces were huge. Most had electric points in that area to for charging sports equipment. They were very smart and appear to be really popular.

We have just bought a Fiat based, Chausson Welcome 610. Only took delivery on 18th December 2017, so, not been far as yet, just one week away, but, so far, quite impressed.

Others have commented about base vehicles, we have had both Fiat and Peugot in the past. My only points on this aspect are:

- Fiat Ducato, Peugeot Boxer and Citroen ? are all built at same factory, so, little to choose between them. Fiat appear to specialise more in the camper/motorhome market and have "versions" with motorhome friendly aspects (out current Chausson has the wide track and lower chassis for example). Fiat also offer a Europe wide "Camper Assist" service for new vans (lasts three years, I think).

- All of the "usual" base vehicles (Fiat/Peugot/Citroen/Merc/Ford/Renault) are essentially (successful) commercial vehicles, which in their "works" life will do high mileages and suffer harsh treatment and neglect. Ending up as a Motorhome must be the equivalent of base vehicle heaven. Of the 4 vans we have owned, the "mechanical bits" have never given cause for concern.

- Of the four vans we have owned, three have been "British", 2 off Elddis/Compass, 1 off Autotrail, and now a Chausson. The three British vans all had quality issues. The Chausson (French) was delivered with one fault (or, I should say, one fault we have found thus far, electronic ignitor on gas stove does not work). While I am not happy with this, it should be no faults on delivery, IMHO, it is considerably better that the other three vans we have owned.

When buying the Chausson, I would have preferred a Hymer, but, my budget did not stretch that far.

As I said in an earlier post, there is no "best choice", all vans are a compromise, it depends on how you intend to use it.

Our usage breaks down something like:

- about 5 weeks of the year in UK, typically 5-7 days at one time, and always staying on a Campsite / CL

- 8-9 weeks, in France or Germany or Italy... (typically in September/October), we do a mixture of Campsites and Aires. Length of stay is determined by how much we like the place. We never book in advance.

- 10-12+ weeks, in Southern Spain. We take short ferry crossing / tunnel and drive from Calais. Again, no prior booking, we just wing it. We usually do this January - May. En-route, we use Aires, for overnight stops. Once "there" we use campsites or motorhome stops, again, length of stay is determined by how much we like the place, but, we do tend to stay longer at any one place in the winter months.

We find usage when in mainland Europe is rather different to UK. In mainland Europe, we tend to spend much more time "out doors", ie cooking outside, sitting outside, walking, cycling. This is I assume down to (generally) warmer and drier weather. This sets some of the criteria for our choice of van, we are not too bothered about kitchen space or lounge space, but, storage space to take bicycles etc is a key consideration, for example.

One of "downsides" of a Motorhome is the size, in terms of using it to visit places, once you are "on-site". We have generally found that we can get about on bicycles and/or public transport. Using public transport when "abroad" is often part of the adventure, nothing like getting lost and not being able to find the bus station in a large city, to liven up your day!

We have, experimented with towing a trailer, with motorcycle onboard. This was reasonably satisfactory, but, towing does put limitations on stop-overs at Aires, in some situations, and, we have suffered the famous "sat-nav malfunctions" putting us in difficult manoeuvring situations when towing. All part of life's rich pattern of course. At present we are "trailer less".
 
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[QUOTE 5119068, member: 259"]Or AWD, Shirley?[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. T5 California with AWD and surfboard attachment, Beach Boys on max. FF can recapture his youth.
 
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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Oh yeah. T5 California with AWD and surfboard attachment, Beach Boys on max. FF can recapture his youth.
Seen today.....

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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
We have just bought a Fiat based, Chausson Welcome 610. Only took delivery on 18th December 2017, so, not been far as yet, just one week away, but, so far, quite impressed.

Others have commented about base vehicles, we have had both Fiat and Peugot in the past. My only points on this aspect are:

- Fiat Ducato, Peugeot Boxer and Citroen ? are all built at same factory, so, little to choose between them. Fiat appear to specialise more in the camper/motorhome market and have "versions" with motorhome friendly aspects (out current Chausson has the wide track and lower chassis for example). Fiat also offer a Europe wide "Camper Assist" service for new vans (lasts three years, I think).

- All of the "usual" base vehicles (Fiat/Peugot/Citroen/Merc/Ford/Renault) are essentially (successful) commercial vehicles, which in their "works" life will do high mileages and suffer harsh treatment and neglect. Ending up as a Motorhome must be the equivalent of base vehicle heaven. Of the 4 vans we have owned, the "mechanical bits" have never given cause for concern.

- Of the four vans we have owned, three have been "British", 2 off Elddis/Compass, 1 off Autotrail, and now a Chausson. The three British vans all had quality issues. The Chausson (French) was delivered with one fault (or, I should say, one fault we have found thus far, electronic ignitor on gas stove does not work). While I am not happy with this, it should be no faults on delivery, IMHO, it is considerably better that the other three vans we have owned.

When buying the Chausson, I would have preferred a Hymer, but, my budget did not stretch that far.

As I said in an earlier post, there is no "best choice", all vans are a compromise, it depends on how you intend to use it.

Our usage breaks down something like:

- about 5 weeks of the year in UK, typically 5-7 days at one time, and always staying on a Campsite / CL

- 8-9 weeks, in France or Germany or Italy... (typically in September/October), we do a mixture of Campsites and Aires. Length of stay is determined by how much we like the place. We never book in advance.

- 10-12+ weeks, in Southern Spain. We take short ferry crossing / tunnel and drive from Calais. Again, no prior booking, we just wing it. We usually do this January - May. En-route, we use Aires, for overnight stops. Once "there" we use campsites or motorhome stops, again, length of stay is determined by how much we like the place, but, we do tend to stay longer at any one place in the winter months.

We find usage when in mainland Europe is rather different to UK. In mainland Europe, we tend to spend much more time "out doors", ie cooking outside, sitting outside, walking, cycling. This is I assume down to (generally) warmer and drier weather. This sets some of the criteria for our choice of van, we are not too bothered about kitchen space or lounge space, but, storage space to take bicycles etc is a key consideration, for example.

One of "downsides" of a Motorhome is the size, in terms of using it to visit places, once you are "on-site". We have generally found that we can get about on bicycles and/or public transport. Using public transport when "abroad" is often part of the adventure, nothing like getting lost and not being able to find the bus station in a large city, to liven up your day!

We have, experimented with towing a trailer, with motorcycle onboard. This was reasonably satisfactory, but, towing does put limitations on stop-overs at Aires, in some situations, and, we have suffered the famous "sat-nav malfunctions" putting us in difficult manoeuvring situations when towing. All part of life's rich pattern of course. At present we are "trailer less".
I guess for us, internal space was a premium because we will mostly use it in Uk/hebs and Northern France all year round so we may be van-bound more often. Also we will be joined by a cat and probs a dog in the near future.
My main concern at this point is that there are no wxtra passenger seats, though we ‘re unlikely to carry others that often.
We can store Bromptons inboard and we also have a bike rack (ok slight security issue, but not insurmountable).
Decent kitchen space also important.
I think all in all we have a good solution.
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside
I guess for us, internal space was a premium because we will mostly use it in Uk/hebs and Northern France all year round so we may be van-bound more often. Also we will be joined by a cat and probs a dog in the near future.
My main concern at this point is that there are no wxtra passenger seats, though we ‘re unlikely to carry others that often.
We can store Bromptons inboard and we also have a bike rack (ok slight security issue, but not insurmountable).
Decent kitchen space also important.
I think all in all we have a good solution.

My point exactly, it has to suit YOUR requirements.

Enjoy!
 

keithmac

Guru
If I was travelling further afield, or doing a long trip with a night here and a night there, I'd buy a motor home. At the moment, we tend to go somewhere and stay for a few days and have trips out locally. A caravan is more convenient, for us, in this respect.
I had thought about buying a day van to tow the caravan - best of both worlds.

Same with us, the caravan gets set up as base camp then we're out and about every day.

Got York to Cornwall this year for our summer holiday, think I'll stop half way for a night though!.

Hope you enjoy the Motor home Fab Foodie and Hill Wimp!, if there was just the two of us that may have been our choice as well but need the space of caravan and awning with our kids and all their "stuff".
 

plainlazy

Über Member
Location
South coast
I have a 28 year old campervan sitting on my drive packed and ready to go adventuring when we fancy it. We get 2 adults, 5 kids and 2 dogs all safely store in the camper. We go away for weekends even in winter or road trips in the summer. Kids love it and we either walk or bike if we go anywhere and leave the camper behind. It's 6 berth with a lovely comfortable fixed king size bed and does 35 MPG. Cheap holidays and hopefully great memories for the kids. Word of advise keep away from CC site, horrible place in my experience.
 
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