On street vehicle charging points

[DRM]

So you state EVs packs will fail after 110k miles, I show you real life evidence that proves otherwise.

You now want to know about charging, there are UK Taxi companies now running only EVs.

Any other anti EV myth you want busting? .

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/en...ll-ev-taxi-firm-with-dozen-leafs-on-its-books

Yet you go on to say later I wouldn’t buy a second hand EV, make your mind up, a Taxi/Private Hire car doesn’t get used like my van does, they sit around in taxi ranks till needed, so they can do the same hogging every charge point in town, they don’t go do 100 or more miles in one go, run round between jobs then another 100 or more miles to get home, every day of the week, Taxis earn their keep on Friday and Saturday nights, anything in between is bonus earnings, on the whole it’s only the odd airport run or parcel delivery , they will be shared between drivers so they never stop doing mainly short journeys

 

[DRM]

I wouldn't buy a used EV full stop. As you say unless you guarantee the previous owner has treated the pack with reasonable care you have no idea what you are letting your self in for.

Even BMS software can be tricked to show fake readings.....Not proven but people have bought EVs from branded main dealers with that looked like 'good' battery packs only to find massive degredation a few months later. They go back to the dealer who shrugs their shoulders and point out when they sold the car every thing looked good, so tough luck. Its essentially the same as clocking a high milage combustion car.

I thought used EV’s were fantastic, with never ending capacity according to your previous posts

 

[icowden]

I wouldn't buy a used EV full stop. As you say unless you guarantee the previous owner has treated the pack with reasonable care you have no idea what you are letting your self in for.

Even BMS software can be tricked to show fake readings.....Not proven but people have bought EVs from branded main dealers with that looked like 'good' battery packs only to find massive degredation a few months later. They go back to the dealer who shrugs their shoulders and point out when they sold the car every thing looked good, so tough luck. Its essentially the same as clocking a high milage combustion car.

And that's why Tesla run their own re-selling scheme for used Teslas.

 

[icowden]

Yet you go on to say later I wouldn’t buy a second hand EV, make your mind up

There is a difference between owning a car with 100,000 miles on the clock from new and buying a car with 100,000 miles on the clock second hand.
In the first instance you know how well the car has been treated. In the second you don't

One careful lady owner, only used it to go to the shops, great condition, absolute steal...

In the example that has been quoted at you, Wizzy, the first EV taxi in Cornwall is at around 170,000 miles on the clock with very little degradation in the battery. It was owned from new and the owners have been very pleased with it. The battery is also now very old technology-wise, which is probably the biggest problem for EVs. They are evolving very fast, so recycling / resales are likely to be an issue. Tesla deal with that to a large extent by upgrading their cars as much as possible via the software.

 

[gzoom]

I thought used EV’s were fantastic, with never ending capacity according to your previous posts

When did I say used EVs were fantastic? Battery capacity last fine and for the life of the car, BUT like everything if abused by the owner - left uncharged, physically damaged, left fully charged all the time, degredation will be much worse.

Would I buy a used combustion car that's been a Taxi, no way. But some people do because the cost is too enticing. For me used EVs simply aren't cheap enough to warrant the risk of a lazy owner versus new prices.

I have no issues keeping our EV till the doors fall off, and our next car will be another new EV. They make great long-term ownership prospects.

Its good you like your van, but EVs are already here and will become the mainstay of personal transportation.

 

[Ste T.]

One of the main points of electric car policy being pushed by the government but never acknowledged is to drive poorer people back on to public transport and bicycles. There are millions of people running around in £1,000 fiestas and micras to go to work, drop the kids off and socialise. None of them will be able to afford to buy and run an electric car. If you want to picture the social division of private car ownership and those having to use public transport by 2040, check out Britain in 1940.

 

[Pale Rider]

Speaking of milk floats, a mate of mine got done for due care and attention while driving one.

He lost control going down a hill in Leytonstone, east London, and crashed into a bus stop.

No crying because happily there were no injuries, but I suspect there was a lot of spilt milk.

 

[gzoom]

@Ste T. The 'issue' with EVs isn't battery life or even range, its cost.

Once you have paid for the car on going running costs are virtually £0, no VED, nothing to service, fuel at 2-3p per mile when charging at home on cheap overnight electricity. Than you factor in the fact people with driveways will find life with an EV infinity easier than those without, and EVs may/will end up increasing the social divide/inequality in been mobile.

I suspect it cost me less to be mobile in my ridiculously priced EV versus someone in a £1000 run around.

 

[DRHysted]

@Ste T. The 'issue' with EVs isn't battery life or even range, its cost.

Once you have paid for the car on going running costs are virtually £0, no VED, nothing to service, fuel at 2-3p per mile when charging at home on cheap overnight electricity. Than you factor in the fact people with driveways will find life with an EV infinity easier than those without, and EVs may/will end up increasing the social divide/inequality in been mobile.

I suspect it cost me less to be mobile in my ridiculously priced EV versus someone in a £1000 run around.

Your maths doesn’t add up. An equivalent EV vehicle to my ICE costs 60 years of my annual running costs.

 

[gzoom]

Your maths doesn’t add up. An equivalent EV vehicle to my ICE costs 60 years of my annual running costs.

Depends on how much you spend on ICE cars, its not hard to get into six figure sums for many cars these days!!

 

[DRHysted]

Depends on how much you spend on ICE cars, its not hard to get into six figure sums for many cars these days!!

The vast majority of people don’t spend that much, which really is the point that is trying to be put across. The vast majority of people cannot at present, and in all reality will not in the future be able to afford EVs. This thread really has enlightened me to how different peoples words are, and how those with money can never grasp the reality that those without live in.

 

[figbat]

@Ste T.Once you have paid for the car on going running costs are virtually £0, no VED, nothing to service...

Nothing to service? What about brake pads? Tyres? Brake fluid? Transmission fluid(s)? Air conditioning system? Cabin filter? Wiper blades? No, there’s no engine to service (oil, filters, plugs, belts) but the rest of the car still needs looking after. Not to mention software and firmware updates.

 

[gzoom]

@figbat Brakes don't wear out on EVs due to regenerative braking, I don't anticipate replacing the brake pads on our EV in its lifetime!

Tyres are the same as any other car, 25k per set am seeing at present not really a major cost. Looking at the wear on my Boardman rear tyres at 2k miles my pedal bike gets through tyres far quicker.

At 4 years old the viscosity of my brake fluid is still fine according to the test strip.

Aircon again hasn't needed regassing in 4 years.

Cabin filter I replaced my self.

Wipers interestingly has lasted 4 years so far and still working fine, maybe without needing to scrape ice on cold days due to pre heating makes them live alot longer?

Overall there is no need to take the in for a traditional 'service'.

At somepoint the 12V battery needs doing, and I will get the brakefulid replaced next year (5 years old).

Software updates are all 'over the air' pushed to the car from the manufacturer.

When I took it in for its MOT last year without an exhaust system to check, and only a quick road test of the brakes due to been 4WD, the hardest part of the test was the figuring how to turn on the lights via the control screen .

Overall running costs are significantly cheaper than a £1000 combustion car, even insurance this year was only £360!

 

[icowden]

The vast majority of people don’t spend that much, which really is the point that is trying to be put across. The vast majority of people cannot at present, and in all reality will not in the future be able to afford EVs. This thread really has enlightened me to how different peoples words are, and how those with money can never grasp the reality that those without live in.

And the counterpoint being put across is that the vast majority of people won't NEED to own a car. They will summon one and pay the 30p for their jouirney (or whatever).

 

[cougie uk]

Your maths doesn’t add up. An equivalent EV vehicle to my ICE costs 60 years of my annual running costs.

What do you mean equivalent ? If you're talking about range still then you're missing the point.