Panorama: The Truth About Sports Products

[Scilly Suffolk]

Awesome: my longest thread ever! Can we get to 100 posts?

 

[GrasB]

There is no need for the supplements unless you do not have the time to eat/cook.

Sometimes dietary protein intake doesn't work. For the best recovery you want to be taking in high quality protein within 30 min of finishing your session. Personally I can't eat anything that'll give me the sort of protein intake I want after a high intensity session that won't come back up fairly quickly. For me whey protein, electrolytes & some other supplements in about half a litre of water gets me the essentials for after exercise recovery quickly in a way I can digest. Sure I could wait the 45-60min for my body to be ready for digesting real food but It really does have a noticeable effect on my recovery over a week. Another reason for using whey mixtures over milk is caloriesrotein ratio. Assuming I've done my maths correctly (not always the case) 25g of protein in semi-skimmed milk is 330kcal give or take, in whey protein it's more like 120kcal. So after a tempo session the choice of milk or whey mix comes down to my judgement of how much I've over/under eaten that day.

 

[albion]

No, the advice was that out of kilter protein intake was bad. It all needs balancing with carbs etc.

If you want cheap protein drink just buy powdered milk.
You will also have to spend far less balancing your diet.

 

[GrasB]

Immediately after I've finish hard exercise normal foods aren't in a form that can be easily digested. They take up too much energy to digest so my body removes the need to digest the food & I throw up! Allowing the body to recover & produce enough energy to eat normal foods needs rest, about 45-60min before eating. The problem is this is sub-optimal for consumption of the resources the bodies' needs for recovery. The knock on effect is that physical fatigue from exercise is drawn out over a longer period & the fatigue is deeper. As a one off it's not significant. However, over 5 days of commuting it's the difference between needing 1 & 2 rest days in the week. That difference IS significant.

90min or so after a hard session I will often have something to eat like a roasted veg or salad sandwich. However if I tried to do that with a glass of milk when my body actually was most receptive to it's protein intake, within the first 30 min of finishing exercise, I'll eject the whole lot in a rather less than pleasant manner. Hell if I just had a glass of milk or some re-hydrated milk powder there would be a high probability of it coming back up. That's why "If you want cheap protein drink just buy powdered milk." simply shows you have little understanding of the problems faced by athletes when they do train to their limits.

Now my 'tempo training' would be what your average fairly fit & active person would consider hard exercise. So in that context there is little to no need for supplements due to the fact they aren't pushing them selves hard enough to cause the problems outlined above.

As for your assertion about price, for me at least, you're wrong. I have financial records which show when I'm making my own recovery mixtures after exercise I'm spending a little less on food than when I'm recovering on normal foods. It's about £5/week less.

 

[amaferanga]

I'm in favour of whey protein after a hard training ride or a race - just to be clear that I don't agree with albion. To be honest, I've not really understood anything he's said anyway.

But it's pretty unusual to throw up if you eat any real food within half an hour of a hard ride. I can and do eat pretty much anything that's available within 5 or 10 minutes of finishing even the hardest race or training session.

 

[albion]

Good for you.
Wasn't it Chris Obrey who espoused the benefits of jam and bread?
I'm the same as amaf in that if I have a calorie deficit I'm munching away almost immediately.

All I was saying is that it is quite easy to eat good cheap nutritional food at less cost than buying specialist sports food.
That probably correlates with the Panorama I never saw.

Of course I could also save money buying specialist food if I then ate with less thought.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Good for you.
Wasn't it Chris Obrey who espoused the benefits of jam and bread?
I'm the same as amaf in that if I have a calorie deficit I'm munching away almost immediately.

All I was saying is that it is quite easy to eat good cheap nutritional food at less cost than buying specialist sports food.
That probably correlates with the Panorama I never saw.

Of course I could also save money buying specialist food if then ate with less thought.

It doesn't because protein shakes were barely mentioned,and not nearly enough to be in any way indepth. The concentration was on other areas. The problem with barely mentioning something was the entire internet exploded with misinformation and stupid claims.

You appear to have missed the part where 1 serving of a protein shake was cheaper than a pint of milk. Do I advocate supplements over diet? NO,but there is a time and place for supplementation, people should be aware that the "omg crazy prices" claims aren't actually true in some cases.

 

[albion]

Your example was £109.50 protein powder versus £178.85 real milk.
I got £109.50 protein powder versus £50 or so of the cheapest powdered skimmed milk at 15p per pint.
I'm not a fan of skimmed milk but compared to twice the price protein shakes it is bliss.

I imagine Panorama was inspired by rubbish adversing such as 'burn 41% more fat during exercise' that comes with CRC samples.
Surely they are describing the magic properties of tap water.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Your example was £109.50 protein powder versus £178.85 real milk.
I got £109.50 protein powder versus £50 or so of the cheapest powdered skimmed milk at 15p per pint.
I'm not a fan of skimmed milk but compared to twice the price protein shakes it is bliss.

I imagine Panorama was inspired by rubbish adversing such as 'burn 41% more fat during exercise' that comes with CRC samples.
Surely they are describing the magic properties of tap water.

You're making sense now

 

[albion]

"Best to compare like with like so if you go the powder route you can get £109.50 versus £50"

and later

"If you want cheap protein drink just buy powdered milk."

I'd say Panorama advocated thinking for oneself so I'm not going to advise on saving that 30 times the cost of supplements.
It would be an unbalanced protein diet.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

"Best to compare like with like so if you go the powder route you can get £109.50 versus £50"

and later

"If you want cheap protein drink just buy powdered milk."

I'd say Panorama advocated thinking for oneself so I'm not going to advise on saving that 30 times the cost of supplements.
It would be an unbalanced protein diet.

Palatability means a lot. No human would consume whiskas because a pouch of that is cheaper than a tin of John Wests's finest.

 

[GrasB]

But it's pretty unusual to throw up if you eat any real food within half an hour of a hard ride. I can and do eat pretty much anything that's available within 5 or 10 minutes of finishing even the hardest race or training session.

It's a personal physiological thing &, apparently, surprisingly common. The thing is most people who suffer from this simply don't feel hungry after exercise that's intense enough to cause the reaction. The only reason I hit it is because I started getting serious about minimising my recovery times.

 

[Garz]

Sometimes dietary protein intake doesn't work.

Yes, for you. The general population can get by with eating chicken/turkey/dairy/beef or milk. You sound like you have a tough time, but at least your on top of it.

 

[albion]

Many reckon it is the higher protein in our diet that increases cancers such as colon cancer.
You can fart and poop a lot after too much protein. Its your body failing to process it.

And by itself it is surely more dangerous.

 

[GrasB]

The general population can get by with eating chicken/turkey/dairy/beef or milk. You sound like you have a tough time, but at least your on top of it.

Which is why I said sometimes