Pennine Trails running marshal sacked

[gbb]

Ok, so as dad says a little way in
'He's 14'
Marshall (some indecipherable shouting beforehand) says
'Pack it in' (de.escalation?)and shortly after turns to runner, seemingly trying to usher him back (de escalation?)
Some more words and she shouts
'Whoa' (de escalation ?)then shortly follows up with 'I'm not sure if you're aware' (trying desperately to explain) but is cut off by dad who says 'stop shouting at me'
Her hands are palm up, to me that's a de escalation sign/request.
Dad says 'stop talking to me' so is not interested in de escalation
Marshall..incomprehensible words then 'stop now' (de escalation attempt ?)
Dad further shuts down Marshall.
Marshall 'no, there's an event on'..'just go'...another attempt to explain or diffuse the situation ?

The runner didn't help, the dad didn't help, the son (i think) had to be told you get back and I think swore again (theres and awful lot going on)

The poor frikking woman, stuck between two grown aggressive men, who has perhaps not even seen what caused it all, probably no training on how to deal with it, did the best she could IMO.. not her fault not her doing, just stuck in an awful situation with a potentially violent outcome...and we wonder why she's shouting ??

Did she do it well ? No of course not. Could she have done it better, yes of course....was it her fault ? Absolutely not.

 

[tom73]

A few things come to mind. As a qualified youth worker the fact that only the father is concerned that a child has been assaulted is quite concerning. I've volunteered for over 20 years including a good few years as a high up senior volunteer with bird muck to match. I've also managed volunteers as a paid job. If she'd have been one of mine she'd be gone. She totally lost it a classic case of visi-vest power gone mad. You have to question what would have happened if a runner had collapsed of a heart attack. You don't need training to know things can go tits up very quickly. Or training to know assaulting a young person is wrong.

Having done medical cover at stuff like this the standard of Marshall is normally pretty poor, many don't even get even a basic briefing before hand. I've often had to deal with fall out from a good few over the years. If you can't even be bothered to even provide some basic training and advice then don't take on volunteers. Or don't be surprised by the sort you end up.

Lastly as someone who also has autism I've a good idea what the lad was having to deal with as all this was going on. Not only being assaulted but having to process what was going off. He did well not to totally go off on one , so all power to him and to his dad for doing what dads do. Not only dealing with what's happens but keeping his son calm at the same time.

 

[wafter]

The video lacks a certain amount of context since it begins after the initial exchange has taken place; maybe the kid had a legit reason to swear at the old bloke, maybe he didn't but it's pretty clear that the old bloke escalated the situation massively from a simple verbal exchange to what probably constitutes physical assault.

Dad tries to de-escalatefor the most part by managing both son and the running posse (and tbh along with son is consistently the most calm and composed party throughout), old git continues to go hard and while the marshall is initially pretty well-behaved and even-handed (if perhaps somewhat aggressive) she eventually loses it as well and seemingly sides with the runner in just shouting down the dad (which arguably buoys the runner for another go)... although to be fair the dad didn't give her much opportunity to speak.

Bottom line IMO is adult runner assaults minor, however as usual the reality is somewhat more nuanced.

 

[KingstonGraham]

Can you sack a volunteer ?

Poor woman volunteered her day pointing people in the right direction and ended up refereeing a fight.

Kid was in the wrong. Old runner was in the wrong. Marshall caught in the middle.

What can you see from that video that the kid did wrong?

 

[Drago]

What can you see from that video that the kid did wrong?

He farted and blamed the runner.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

The video isn’t from a neutral party. Let’s see the video for the continuous 10 mins before and after.

 

[Profpointy]

Kinell, we've watched very different videos

 

[gbb]

Kinell, we've watched very different videos

It perhaps highlights how careful the police have to treat witness statements...and also how different people perceive what they see.
Tbf, the woman sounds quite indignant, shouty and that looks bad...but, suppose she didn't see the initial incident and sees a cyclist 'apparently assaulting one of the runners she's there to shepherd. You could imagine she could easily mis interpret what's actually occured. (At the end of the day, none of us actually know what started it...I can imagine what but that's just guesswork so irrelevant really)
I still hold the opinion, while she may have come to the wrong conclusion, the idea she is to blame or acted willingly wrongly is simply not right. She's put in an awful.position by one or all of the three others.
They should be the focus of peoples (and their own) criticism, not her (imho)

 

[Beebo]

It perhaps highlights how careful the police have to treat witness statements...and also how different people perceive what they see.
Tbf, the woman sounds quite indignant, shouty and that looks bad...but, suppose she didn't see the initial incident and sees a cyclist 'apparently assaulting one of the runners she's there to shepherd. You could imagine she could easily mis interpret what's actually occured. (At the end of the day, none of us actually know what started it...I can imagine what but that's just guesswork so irrelevant really)
I still hold the opinion, while she may have come to the wrong conclusion, the idea she is to blame or acted willingly wrongly is simply not right. She's put in an awful.position by one or all of the three others.
They should be the focus of peoples (and their own) criticism, not her (imho)

The runner is the one i hold most at fault.

we‘ve all been sworn at at some point in our lives but never reacted like him.

Pathetic. He sees a young lad and overreacted. He wouldn’t do that it, if was a 17stone man.

 

[wafter]

The runner is the one i hold most at fault.

we‘ve all been sworn at at some point in our lives but never reacted like him.

Pathetic. He sees a young lad and overreacted. He wouldn’t do that it, if was a 17stone man.

Absolutely - appears to be a massive over-reaction; probably the result of small man syndrome amplified by the adrenaline of the exercise / competition.

I've had occasions where I've reacted to others (verbally) on the bike and once home and calm reflected that I'd probably gone a bit hard (although thankfully I've never been involved in, let alone started a physical altercation).

It certainly smacks of a fragile ego to react so aggressively to what's ultimately only words.

Also, if the kid actually told the runner to "f*ck off" (rather than using the naughty word that caused such offence in a difference context like "get out of the f*cking way") this implies it was in reaction to something the runner had said; so it seems plausible that he initiated the conflict then once he'd got a reaction chose to escalate it enormously by grabbing the kid.