Pet's soul....

[PaulB]

Grief, loss and memory do funny things to your mind. Not everything we 'see' is materially real - people can honestly think that they are being abducted by aliens because of the experience of states of consciousness between sleep and waking. We can be convinced that a person half-glimpsed in the street is an old friend because our brains don't like gaps and fill them in for us. We can see God in sunlight and dehydration. And so on. If you want experiences like this to have meaning, it's probably better to think of what the experience means to you rather than thinking it 'proves' anything beyond that or says anything definitive about the nature of the universe. Our brains do not always work in ways that are immediately obvious to us. There are quantum processes going on there. And I am sorry to people who 'believe' things here, but I've yet to come across anything that suggests otherwise - and accounts written down by believers are merely post-hoc rationalisations of such things or out and out myth--making. They are not independent evidence.

That's what I writ, a page or three ago. Not as good as that, I mustard mitt but essentially along the same lines.

 

[snapper_37]

I wonder what Snapper will make of her thread when she reads it.

Well actually I haven't read it through because I knew there would be the usual twats taking the piss so I can't be arsed.

Oh let me get a pen and write them down before I look. Nah, the usual.

I have good days and bad days ... more bad than good.

But one thing is sure, I am glad the way things turned out, because I have the experience of loving another being so much that I feel her everywhere.

So - take the piss all you like.

Go on - it's a ****ing laugh at the end of the day isn't it??

 

[Dayvo]

And I am sorry to people who 'believe' things here, but I've yet to come across anything that suggests otherwise - and accounts written down by believers are merely post-hoc rationalisations of such things or out and out myth--making. They are not independent evidence.

That's just the whole issue, though, isn't it!

YOU haven't experienced it, but others HAVE! You can't say THEY are wrong.

I don't particularly like Japanese people, for example (much more to do with their lifestyle and personal traits than any racial dislike- and no, I haven't been to Japan, but I have met a lot on my many years of travelling), but I won't say that I am right to dislike them over someone who does.

 

[Dayvo]

Well actuall I haven't read it through because I knew there would be the usual twats taking the piss so I can't be arsed.

I have good days and bad days ... more bad than good.

But one thing is sure, I am glad the way things turned out, because I have the experience of loving another being. So - take the piss all you like.

No-one's really taking the piss, snap!

It's just their narrow-mindedness of not being able to accept somebody else's opinion, unfortunately!

 

[snapper_37]

It could have been from a car's headlamps, they probably had them on full beam.

Oh **** me, I'm howling at that one. + 1 point for you.

 

[PaulB]

That's just the whole issue, though, isn't it!

YOU haven't experienced it, but others HAVE! You can't say THEY are wrong.

HAVE they? Maybe they THINK they have for reasons outlined above several times? So we CAN say they MAY be wrong just as you can't say they are right.

 

[snapper_37]

No-one's really taking the piss, snap!

It's just their narrow-mindedness of not being able to accept somebody else's opinion, unfortunately!

Hey Dayvo. I expected it. That's why it took me a few days to put the thread up.

I have enough pain in my heart - this forum is **** all.

 

[PaulB]

No-one's really taking the piss, snap!

It's just their narrow-mindedness of not being able to accept somebody else's opinion, unfortunately!

He's right, no one is taking the piss but neither are the views narrow minded for trying to rationalise your experiences.

 

[snapper_37]

HAVE they? Maybe they THINK they have for reasons outlined above several times? So we CAN say they MAY be wrong just as you can't say they are right.

I EXPERIENCED it, I didn't THINK it.

 

[Dayvo]

HAVE they? Maybe they THINK they have for reasons outlined above several times? So we CAN say they MAY be wrong just as you can't say they are right.

Now let me see!

What did you say earlier?

But you haven't really, have you? It's a normal psychological response like when we "see" recently deceased people walking down the street and convince ourselves that a certain walk, mannerism or style favours the friend or relative who's died. Your rational is entirely correct. It IS stupid to believe in ghosts. They do not exist and that's a fact. [/B]I am also of the firm and fixed opinion that animals do not and cannot have "souls" and I believe it is mad to think they do.

Arrogant prick!

 

[Crackle]

I'm glad you've got the patience to point these things out Dayvo, I just couldn't be ar$ed anymore.

Snapper, judge people by their empathy to others not their clever words but I'm sure you know that.

 

[snapper_37]

I'm glad you've got the patience to point these things out Dayvo, I just couldn't be ar$ed anymore.

Snapper, judge people by their empathy to others not their clever words but I'm sure you know that.

Hey Crackle, I know. You wanted me to post the thread and I said I couldn't - there was a reason. Because I knew the piss takers would jump on.

It took me a bit of time to do it and then when I did - it's like a debate about religion.

Who cares? Cos I don't. I'm an atheist and couldn't give a stuff. It was supposed to be an experience, nothing to do with a so called god.

 

[Andy in Sig]

I EXPERIENCED it, I didn't THINK it.

I think there's a reluctance to accept something which is way outside daily experience for most of us. If you experienced it, I don't see why anyone should doubt. All any doubters can do is offer possible explanations but as they weren't there, they are at best guessing. Stick with what you know.

 

[snapper_37]

I think there's a reluctance to accept something which is way outside daily experience for most of us. If you experienced it, I don't see why anyone should doubt. All any doubters can do is offer possible explanations but as they weren't there, they are at best guessing. Stick with what you know.

Thank you Andy. We have been so bothered about it that neither can go to the loo in the dark. Sorry for the details.

 

[Riding in Circles]

seeing something and feeling a presence IS different to consulting the dead. but you are not supposed to mistake these for dead people/animals that you once knew, but understand that they are "familiar spirits" (as described earlier). The mistake (or sin if you like) would be to then believe they are your beloved dead ones and try to contact them. As for "the dead will rise from the grave to be judged" that is correct also, they will not rise until judgement day so then why would you believe they are in your presence???

I'm not a devout Christian, but i can't understand why people choose to believe the bits they want to. Either you take the bible as it is, or don't take it at all. And if you don't take it at all, then quite simply humans don't have souls. if you believe they do, then you must believe in God and i would do as the bible says and leave all the other stuff well alone, because i think if there is a God, he would be a pretty tough cookie to crack and i don't think he'd take too kindly to me talking to demons. Personally, i'd rather leave all this "talking to the other side" well alone, just in case.

I do not believe in ghosts, I'm playing devils advocate but sympathise with people who still say they see their pets etc... as I say, I could swear I hear my recently deceased dogs from time to time. It is probably because I sometimes forget for a moment they are dead so I expect to hear them, my memory fills in the blanks. I think it is equally dangerous seeing a demon in every mirror and on every corner though.