Police Caution

[XmisterIS]

If they were private security people and not British Transport Police, then you don't have to give them any details at all.

The worst they can do is ask you to leave the train.

 

[Saddle bum]

I havn't read the whole thread, but my understanding is that a caution remains on your record permanently, it is never erased. That is one of the reasons they are so keen to issue them. The fact they remain is not normally communicated to the recipient.

 

[yenrod]

The trainee teacher didn't nearly lose her job.

She wasn't even a trainee teacher. She was a 19 year old maths undergraduate who thought that she might like to teach after graduating and thought, erroneously, that a criminal conviction would prevent her from training to become a teacher.

Thats what I meant

 

[domd1979]

If they were private security people and not British Transport Police, then you don't have to give them any details at all.

The worst they can do is ask you to leave the train.

Wrong. Read the byelaws...

 

[XmisterIS]

Wrong. Read the byelaws...

I didn't know that! You learn something every day, n'est pas?

 

[domd1979]

I didn't know that! You learn something every day, n'est pas?

Indeed! There is a fair amount in there. For anyone who wants a look:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/regs/railwaysbyelaws.pdf

 

[XmisterIS]

Indeed! There is a fair amount in there. For anyone who wants a look:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/regs/railwaysbyelaws.pdf

This is a very useful document to have!

My eye is drawn to 17.3.i in particular - I have been thrown off a train before (many years ago) for not having a ticket because the ticket machine at the station where I got on the train was broken and the man in the hatch wasn't there! If only I'd had a copy of that document to whip out and waggle in the man's face!

 

[siadwell]

Wrong. Read the byelaws...

So if an authorised person has reason to believe that you have broken one of the byelaws, they have the right to take your name and address.

And if you refuse? You have broken byelaw 23, which means that under byelaw 23 you have to give your name and address, and under 24(1) you are liable to a fine, and under 24(2) can be asked or made to leave railway premises.

I see no mention of the police here, so if you keep schtum, all they can do is make you get off the railway. Or am I missing something?

(Not advocating anything, just curious).

 

[domd1979]

So if an authorised person has reason to believe that you have broken one of the byelaws, they have the right to take your name and address.

And if you refuse? You have broken byelaw 23, which means that under byelaw 23 you have to give your name and address, and under 24(1) you are liable to a fine, and under 24(2) can be asked or made to leave railway premises.

I see no mention of the police here, so if you keep schtum, all they can do is make you get off the railway. Or am I missing something?

(Not advocating anything, just curious).

Imagine BTP get called to meet the train at the next station and the doors will remain locked until they do...

 

[ComedyPilot]

Imagine BTP get called to meet the train at the next station and the doors will remain locked until they do...

Which is what I don't understand. Private (burly) security guards do not have the powers of a police constable, so I would have assumed BTP would have to be involved at some point in the proceedings, both to interview said miscreant and, if accepted, issue said caution. None of this has been stated as happening, so I am still non the wiser as to why he's getting his 'thong' in a twist?

Still, the mucky sod shouldn't put his feet on the seat in the first place.

 

[darkstar]

Which is what I don't understand. Private (burly) security guards do not have the powers of a police constable, so I would have assumed BTP would have to be involved at some point in the proceedings, both to interview said miscreant and, if accepted, issue said caution. None of this has been stated as happening, so I am still non the wiser as to why he's getting his 'thong' in a twist?

Still, the mucky sod shouldn't put his feet on the seat in the first place.

Oi! The thongs only for special occasions!
I was told we would recieve a letter within 3 weeks from them, they give my details to the police, the caution is then given when the police are involved. I was only getting carried away because it had just happened.
no need to call me a sod though, wouldn't mind if it were said in a funny way, thats just rude.

 

[ComedyPilot]

It was meant in a light hearted way. Just keep your feet off in future.

 

[tdr1nka]

When I feel the need to stretch out on a train I lay down in the luggage rack.

 

[ComedyPilot]

When I feel the need to stretch out on a train I lay down in the luggage rack.

PMSL

 

[tdr1nka]

The trains in London have notices asking you don't put your feet on the seats and that you risk prosecution if you do.

Anyway it's just lazy & slovenly behaviour IMO.