Police stopping cyclists in Preston

[Chris-H]

When my Brompton was stolen the police didn't want to know. They weren't interested. It took endless calls to even get a crime number out of them, but fortunately dealing with my insurers was a doddle compared to the fuzz. My premium went up slightly though :~(.

Without getting drawn into an argument here and i respect your views but if the Police had taken the initiative earlier to stop check cyclists without fear of us all screaming persecutation then maybe,just maybe they might've stopped the scum that stole your bike and returned it to you and your premiums would'nt have risen.Would you then have in all honesty had the same opinion you have now about stop checks?
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[diapason]

It could be argued that if the police had actually been patrolling the streets (rather than hassling cyclists on the road - the majority of whom were almost certainly innocent) then Crankarm's bike might not have been nicked in the first place. Of course, the police have to tread a fine line between making genuine enquiries and 'hassling' the public, but initiatives like this do raise questions of civil liberties and human rights.

 

[User269]

And asking cyclists' for proof of ownership of bike as part of an operation to crackdown on bike crime.

We featured this story on our site yesterday and have had plenty of comments already. Would be great to know how you feel about what the Police are doing up in Preston

http://www.goinggoin...brings-results/

Sorry I've not read all the other posts on this .................... but I think this is harassment. Surely the psycho-social profile of your average bike thief isn't someone riding a bike to work??

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

I would like to see total road blocks like they do in France where all vehicles are stopped and the drivers checked for everything from insurance to drink, now I am sure many cyclists would like that also.

France is thataway>>>>>>>>>>>!


If you like the way Les Flics work please feel free to emigrate.
I for one, as a cyclist, pedestrain or motorvehicle "pilot" would not like to see this idea imported. The ends do not justify the means!

 

[doog]

Sorry I've not read all the other posts on this .................... but I think this is harassment. Surely the psycho-social profile of your average bike thief isn't someone riding a bike to work??

common sense says that they will be 'targeting' a certain member of the public and I am sure that is the case. I really dont think the average law abiding cyclist has anything to worry about. SO CHILL

You see, when your average scroat is stopped on a nice bike one of three things will happen .

1. He drops it and runs.

2. He doesnt and cycles off.

3. When questioned he states he bought it off a mate....

Why do so many of you have some sort of agenda? If you get stopped, being proper cyclists you could prove within a few seconds that the bike was yours and on you go knowing you have done your bit for this initiative.

The problem will come when the likes of Brompton get all stroppy over his rights, the law etc and talks himself into getting his Brompton seized

. (Its a shame a police dog hander with a so called shoot machine couldnt get involved in that one)

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

common sense says that they will be 'targeting' a certain member of the public and I am sure that is the case. I really dont think the average law abiding cyclist has anything to worry about. SO CHILL

You see, when your average scroat is stopped on a nice bike one of three things will happen .

1. He drops it and runs.

2. He doesnt and cycles off.

3. When questioned he states he bought it off a mate....

Why do so many of you have some sort of agenda? If you get stopped, being proper cyclists you could prove within a few seconds that the bike was yours and on you go knowing you have done your bit for this initiative.

The problem will come when the likes of Brompton get all stroppy over his rights, the law etc and talks himself into getting his Brompton seized

. (Its a shame a police dog hander with a so called shoot machine couldnt get involved in that one)

It's not a "shoot machine" it's a turd dispenser.

 

[screenman]

LYB why do they not justify the means, take one unlicensed/drunk/drugged etc. driver off the road and it is certainly worth it.

I wonder how many of you anti stopping guys actually have any experience of the police.

 

[doog]

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How?
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by answering a few questions

 

[Chris-H]

It could be argued that if the police had actually been patrolling the streets (rather than hassling cyclists on the road - the majority of whom were almost certainly innocent) then Crankarm's bike might not have been nicked in the first place. Of course, the police have to tread a fine line between making genuine enquiries and 'hassling' the public, but initiatives like this do raise questions of civil liberties and human rights.

Then dont moan when ya bike gets nicked that the police are'nt doing their job.

 

[Norm]

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How?
[/quote]That has already been covered further up the thread.

 

[doog]

Then dont moan when ya bike gets nicked that the police are'nt doing their job.

its nuts isnt it...Police get blamed for trying to recover stolen bikes

(Im surprised no one has asked why they arent all out looking for all the murderers, rapists and paedo's )

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

LYB why do they not justify the means, take one unlicensed/drunk/drugged etc. driver off the road and it is certainly worth it.

I wonder how many of you anti stopping guys actually have any experience of the police.

Why does the end not justify the means? Because if you want to use that argument you are only one step (and a very small one) from "might is right".

By falling back on the "iff only one etc...... it's worth it" you have shown that you haven't really thought the argument through, should 60,000,000 people be held up on morning to find one " unlicensed/drunk/drugged etc. driver" ?

As for expereience of the police , I think the question should be the other way round, how many of the people thinking it's a wonderful idea have ever been questioned by the police? Those that think this is a wonderful idea seem to thinking with their nuts, focusing on the idea of scum being stopped by nice bobbies. In reality the world is filled with a mix from scum to innocent peeps and the police are filled with a mix from nice bobbies to hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freaks. Those that think this is a wonderful idea seem to imagine it will be scum being stopped by nice bobbies, those that are saying "hang on a minute" are probably a bit more realistic and imagining that there are also going to be innocent peeps stopped by hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freaks. I'm going to presume you are a nice peep and I hope you never get to meet a hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freak, but if you do your perspective may change.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Then dont moan when ya bike gets nicked that the police are'nt doing their job.

I won't , I have low expectations.

 

[screenman]

I feel it would be worth 60,000,000 people being stopped for one nicked person, however you might not know this but a lot fewer than 60,000,000 people drive in the UK, I know when you are stuck in a traffic jam it might seem like it but in reality there are far fewer.

Now I am sure there maybe police officers that match your description, however maybe some people bring out the worst in others.

As for low expectations, please do enlighten us all with what you would expect of the police should do to meet your expectations.

Please I just read you signature, you are not a scoutmaster are you? mine was a right nasty vindictive power crazy sadist.

 

[doog]

Why does the end not justify the means? Because if you want to use that argument you are only one step (and a very small one) from "might is right".

By falling back on the "iff only one etc...... it's worth it" you have shown that you haven't really thought the argument through, should 60,000,000 people be held up on morning to find one " unlicensed/drunk/drugged etc. driver" ?

As for expereience of the police , I think the question should be the other way round, how many of the people thinking it's a wonderful idea have ever been questioned by the police? Those that think this is a wonderful idea seem to thinking with their nuts, focusing on the idea of scum being stopped by nice bobbies. In reality the world is filled with a mix from scum to innocent peeps and the police are filled with a mix from nice bobbies to hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freaks. Those that think this is a wonderful idea seem to imagine it will be scum being stopped by nice bobbies, those that are saying "hang on a minute" are probably a bit more realistic and imagining that there are also going to be innocent peeps stopped by hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freaks. I'm going to presume you are a nice peep and I hope you never get to meet a hard arsed/ sarcastic/ corrupt /lazy slashed peaked control freak, but if you do your perspective may change.

wtf...

Listen mate, you may find a few neighbourhood bobbies and a few PCSO's involved.

...seriously you have been watching far too much TV.

Have something to hide per chance?

ps


you are the same poster who fully believes the highway code (section 59) should be law