Police stopping cyclists in Preston

[Little yellow Brompton]

It is my impression that the over riding feeling in this country is that people shall not be falsely accused, have a right to a fair trial, are presumed to be innocent rather than guilty and are not falsely imprisoned.

Ahhh but you miss the point of those that welcome this innitiative ! The people here who think this is a wonderful idea have a concept of US and THEM. These people expect THEM to be questioned and asked prove that the bike is theirs , but they expect US to be given a fair trial , presumed to be innocent rather than guilty and not falsely imprisoned.

Of course, the big problem is that they are half right , there is an US and THEM, but they don't realise that they can easily be mistaken for THEM when they know they are US.

 

[screenman]

Has it not even slightly occurred to you that having stops in place by the police might stop criminals from riding bikes, also might make the market for stolen bikes not so good. Now with 1200 bikes per day nicked that would be a lot of police time calling at peoples homes, taking a statement finger prints etc. could be effective maybe not, sure would cost a lot though.

Now I for one would be happy to pay say and extra £200 per year maybe more to have more police officers out on the beat stopping more suspects.

I feel I am being dragged down and beaten with experience on this topic.

US and THEM, seems a bit paranoid to me. I am not a number I am a Ahhhh!

 

[Crankarm]

Not all drunks weave all over the road, how would you suggest they find drunk drivers?

I honestly feel that you objectors have no answer other than objecting. Not once have any of you suggested an alternative method of apprehending criminal.

I believe certain people take a lot of civic pride in denouncing drunk and potential drunk drivers to the police (rightly so IMHO, but I digress) who would then legitimately have reason to stop the vehicle or person on which they have been given information is actually driving under the influence of alcohol or even drugs. This I would suspect would mean they could legitmately stop the car. If the car itself has a rear light that is not working even better the police would have further legitimate reason to stop the vehilce or if the standard of driving of the driver raises concerns of the police this can also trigger their powers to stop the vehicle.

The point I am making is that that the police have to operate within the law. Applying a blanket approach to apprehend every driver or cyclist would not be lawful unless it was enacted in law or they are given special powers. Any criteria to stop any group of people must be based on EVIDENCE, completely transparent and free of prejudice that has dogged investigations in the past.

 

[doog]

Has it not even slightly occurred to you that having stops in place by the police might stop criminals from riding bikes, also might make the market for stolen bikes not so good. Now with 1200 bikes per day nicked that would be a lot of police time calling at peoples homes, taking a statement finger prints etc. could be effective maybe not, sure would cost a lot though.

Now I for one would be happy to pay say and extra £200 per year maybe more to have more police officers out on the beat stopping more suspects.

I feel I am being dragged down and beaten with experience on this topic.

US and THEM, seems a bit paranoid to me. I am not a number I am a Ahhhh!

you are being dragged down and beaten by cynics.

One of the main detractors on this subject wants to persecute dog owners using one totally obscure part of the highway code.

This same person objects to a potential thief being stopped on a stolen bike because he (the poster)may be stopped in the process. Make sense of that.

 

[Crankarm]

Has it not even slightly occurred to you that having stops in place by the police might stop criminals from riding bikes, also might make the market for stolen bikes not so good. Now with 1200 bikes per day nicked that would be a lot of police time calling at peoples homes, taking a statement finger prints etc. could be effective maybe not, sure would cost a lot though.

Now I for one would be happy to pay say and extra £200 per year maybe more to have more police officers out on the beat stopping more suspects.

I feel I am being dragged down and beaten with experience on this topic.

US and THEM, seems a bit paranoid to me. I am not a number I am a Ahhhh!

From the police POV there are only criminals, every one at some point is a criminal, except them of course .

 

[Crankarm]

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I assure you it's all completely true. I have given up chasing, as when the area Inspector can't be bothered, the PC initiating the paperwork has retired and they are apparently "out of time" on the investigation (maybe one of our resident plod could explain this concept, it baffled me) there seems little point continuing.

It has left me with a very jaded view of the Police as a result. I have always been very helpful in the past, but no more. If they want my 'assistance' they are going to be sadly disappointed.
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Maggot, to add insult to injury, your taxes are going to pay for the officer's cushy retirement .

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

you are being dragged down and beaten by cynics.

you are being dragged down and beaten by cynics. realists.

 

[PK99]

They don't, they just need to threat of doing so to force questions to be answered.

Have you stopped taking your pills again?

 

[PK99]

With an opening line like that, I doubt the rest of your post is worth reading. Unless you can explain what has led to that view?

many years practice is setting up Straw Man arguments on internet forums, maybe?

 

[screenman]

A wise man speaks because they have something to say, a fool speaks because they have to say something.

 

[doog]

Maggot, to add insult to injury, your taxes are going to pay for the officer's cushy retirement .

The officer paying in 11% of his salary for 30 years pays for his cushy retirement.

Far too many Guardian readers on this forum.

 

[PK99]

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How?
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I could rhyme off instantly make, model, year, size, and tyre make model and size size and other deatils of any of my bikes

 

[doog]

I could rhyme off instantly make, model, year, size, and tyre make model and size size and other deatils of any of my bikes

likewise, naming the make of the saddle (Brooks) would probably save me from being shot de menezes style or arrested by the so called lazy, corrupt slashed peak..........







safer neighbourhood team

 

[Crankarm]

The officer paying in 11% of his salary for 30 years pays for his cushy retirement.

Far too many Guardian readers on this forum.

Your prejudices continue .............

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

The officer paying in 11% of his salary for 30 years pays for his cushy retirement.

Really? I was under the impression that as there is no fund, the officer paying 11% of his salary is actually paying for the people who retired before him. He/she is relying on his replacment to pay 11% of their salary to cover his retirement, and as the numbers fluctuate and as life expectancy increases, the council taxpayer makes up the difference.