Poor driving from someone who should have known better.

[MontyVeda]

... maybe the clearest example is that rule 77 for cyclists at roundabouts still suggests "ride round keeping to the left-hand lane".
...

That is just insane!

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

That is just insane!

And not true? "If you decide" isn't helpful, but it's not saying you must. From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

Rule 77
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should

• be aware that drivers may not easily see you
• take extra care when cycling across exits. You may need to signal right to show you are not leaving the roundabout
• watch out for vehicles crossing your path to leave or join the roundabout.

 

[MontyVeda]

And not true? "If you decide" isn't helpful, but it's not saying you must. From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

Rule 77
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should

• be aware that drivers may not easily see you
• take extra care when cycling across exits. You may need to signal right to show you are not leaving the roundabout
• watch out for vehicles crossing your path to leave or join the roundabout.

I know it's not saying I must (plus I'm old enough to ignore bad advice when i see it), but it needs completely rewording. Why doesn't it advise us to use the roundabout exactly as a motor vehicle would, rather than just giving a link to that section. As those rules stand, they're vague and as you say, unhelpful.

 

[icowden]

It also doesn't take into account that Roundabouts have different designs and intakes.

For example, if a roundabout is fed by single roads, I don't have a problem with riding round in the left lane of the roundabout. On the other hand if the road splits into a double (or more) lane feed to the roundabout, then it would make no sense to go in the left lane of the roundabout if I were going right.

 

[mjr]

I know it's not telling you that you must (or even should) ride round in the left, but it's horrendously dodgy advice to even mention it IMO because otherwise few new riders would think to try it. I can't think of even a situation like @icowden mentions where "a roundabout is fed by single roads" that turning right by keeping left would be a good idea.

Anyway, there's plenty more where that came from, but I feel more examples would be a distraction from whether you can turn right at a crossroads like in the OP, so I've started a thread to try to summarise what's shoot in the current code at https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/bad-cycling-advice-in-the-highway-code.262435/

 

[I like Skol]

I think he claims to be a ride leader or something so surely should be held to fairly high standards.

I remember now. He was apparently an approved British Cycling ride leader but stopped after falling out with the organisation

 

[snorri]

I disagree. Use of "path" implies to most people that it is primarily for walkers and cyclists (and sometimes horses) are only there under protest and it should be shared by everyone travelling at walking speed.

The fact that the term is in such common usage rather disputes your assertion.
The more important part of the phrase is 'Shared Use' the third word can be path, track, facility, infrastructure etc.

 

[Ajax Bay]

He was apparently an approved British Cycling ride leader but stopped after falling out with the organisation

Not just a BC Ride Leader, but a very experienced, trained British Cycling ride leader, who 'trains' riders ready for forrin trips (and surely has me on 'ignore', because when I regret to disagree, he doesn't argue).
Jan 2020

I’m a very experienced, trained British Cycling ride leader, who specialises in getting people from newbie to 100 mile challenge rides, in relatively short spaces of time,

Mar 2020

I [rode] 108 miles, that started as an 82 mile training ride, as a leader with B.C. training the riders we’ve got on the Switzerland to Southampton ride in June.

Still think that the OP is not doing his albeit robust mental health any favours by toting the camera around.
But maybe this is the engineer in him, wishing he had the 'skilz' to be a jet pilot, with all his riding manoeuvres recorded for post flight analysis and to be marvelled at in the debriefing room.

 

[mjr]

The fact that the term is in such common usage rather disputes your assertion.

I disagree about the implication, not that it's the most common. Apologies for any confusion.

It's most common because cyclists are hated here and so people will use complicated mouthfuls to emphasise that we must share so motorists don't have to, and to avoid simple words like bridleway or cycleway that might imply any equity. Compare with how freely "veloroute" and "fietspad" are used officially by neighbouring countries.

 

[classic33]

I know it's not telling you that you must (or even should) ride round in the left, but it's horrendously dodgy advice to even mention it IMO because otherwise few new riders would think to try it. I can't think of even a situation like @icowden mentions where "a roundabout is fed by single roads" that turning right by keeping left would be a good idea.

Anyway, there's plenty more where that came from, but I feel more examples would be a distraction from whether you can turn right at a crossroads like in the OP, so I've started a thread to try to summarise what's shoot in the current code at https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/bad-cycling-advice-in-the-highway-code.262435/

OP wasn't at a crossroad, he just swept across into oncoming traffic in the opposite lane. For avoidance of doubt, he was travelling in a marked cycle lane on the road, not using the shared footway, which crossed the road he was travelling on(clearly marked with a Give Way line, which was ignored).

 

[Drago]

Stop mentioning BC ride leaders - I'll be humming the Mickey Mouse theme for the rest of the bleeding day now

 

[icowden]

I know it's not telling you that you must (or even should) ride round in the left, but it's horrendously dodgy advice to even mention it IMO because otherwise few new riders would think to try it. I can't think of even a situation like @icowden mentions where "a roundabout is fed by single roads" that turning right by keeping left would be a good idea.

So this one I always switch to the right hand lane as otherwise people will charge past in the right hand lane to go straight on:-

https://www.google.com/maps/place/W...0x48bd10007520cad9!8m2!3d51.38847!4d-0.416969

This one on the other hand I tend to find safer to stick to the left lane all the way around, particularly due to the queueing on the right hand side of the roundabout.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/W...0x48bd10007520cad9!8m2!3d51.38847!4d-0.416969

AT the end of the day, you have to go with what feels safest I suppose.

 

[mjr]

OP wasn't at a crossroad, he just swept across into oncoming traffic in the opposite lane. For avoidance of doubt, he was travelling in a marked cycle lane on the road, not using the shared footway, which crossed the road he was travelling on(clearly marked with a Give Way line, which was ignored).

The OP was turning across traffic he should have given way to (as marked - he claims that wasn't the design intention but we've seen nothing to back that up) but a crossroads between a cycleway and a carriageway is still a crossroads.

 

[mjr]

This one on the other hand I tend to find safer to stick to the left lane all the way around, particularly due to the queueing on the right hand side of the roundabout.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/W...0x48bd10007520cad9!8m2!3d51.38847!4d-0.416969

AT the end of the day, you have to go with what feels safest I suppose.

Yes, I'd still go in the right lane until the back of the queue but you'd probably get away with it there and I think that may be because it looks like each of the exits in between is single-lane as well as the entries - but as you say, you go with what feels safest rather than act on mad suggestions in the highway code.

 

[Dayvo]

You didn't greet a SINGLE fellow rider you passed! 😳