Protect the NHS, part 2. Reduce avoidable hospital admissions.

[SkipdiverJohn]

.people could still have their cancer treatments, driving tests, hospitality jobs etc. and Covid spread would be manageable without lockdown.

The spread is perfectly manageable. The numbers are sticking in the mid 20,000's a day and they are not shooting up through the roof, and the testing rates are much higher than they were six months ago so a higher proportion of the virus is being detected. The "experts" would like everyone locked down for the next year if they had it their way, they are obsessed by trying to suppress the numbers instead of just making the best of the situation. Johnson has shown he ain't no Mrs T when it comes to having a backbone. He just craps himself and panics as soon as he has to deal with anything unpalatable. It's the easy way out for politicians to hide behind "experts" and they are accountable to no-one for the damage they are causing. They don't care how many people lose their jobs as a result of the lockdowns, the taxpayer is still paying their wages every month.

 

[matticus]

@roadrash I was answering Skol. Please read carefully before diving in with both feet.

(you'll find that Skol has not just twisted my words, but carefully re-edited them for all to see!)

I answered YOUR question earlier, but you diverted into a rant about your local hospital. That may have been accurate and topical, but was nothing to do with what I said. Ha and indeed Ha!

(p.s. if you two want to pile in on my answer, best to check what each has written before continuing your rant. Eh?! )

 

[roadrash]

firstly , i apologise, if im wrong i admit it, and was wrong, BUT i was not Ranting about the local hopital at all , just stating facts , after the last week with my mife being in there , ranting about them couldnt be further from the truth, , again apologies for jumping in earlier

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The spread is perfectly manageable. The numbers are sticking in the mid 20,000's a day and they are not shooting up through the roof, and the testing rates are much higher than they were six months ago so a higher proportion of the virus is being detected. The "experts" would like everyone locked down for the next year if they had it their way, they are obsessed by trying to suppress the numbers instead of just making the best of the situation. Johnson has shown he ain't no Mrs T when it comes to having a backbone. He just craps himself and panics as soon as he has to deal with anything unpalatable. It's the easy way out for politicians to hide behind "experts" and they are accountable to no-one for the damage they are causing. They don't care how many people lose their jobs as a result of the lockdowns, the taxpayer is still paying their wages every month.

Hmmm. You believe expert view is due to "obsession".

It's probably productive for you at this point to ask yourself why you've reached this rather extreme position.

We can note, nonetheless that there are reasons other than obsession to believe suppression of the virus is a good idea.

1. The lower the level, the more effective track and trace is. So *less* restrictions are required to keep at a low, rather than high level.

2. Most economists believe suppressing the virus to low levels results in *less*, not more economic damage.

3. Less lives are lost until a vaccine is available.

In summary: more freedom, more prosperity and less death.

Or it could just be obsession, of course.

 

[Blue Hills]

I know

The spread is perfectly manageable. The numbers are sticking in the mid 20,000's a day and they are not shooting up through the roof, and the testing rates are much higher than they were six months ago so a higher proportion of the virus is being detected. The "experts" would like everyone locked down for the next year if they had it their way, they are obsessed by trying to suppress the numbers instead of just making the best of the situation. Johnson has shown he ain't no Mrs T when it comes to having a backbone. He just craps himself and panics as soon as he has to deal with anything unpalatable. It's the easy way out for politicians to hide behind "experts" and they are accountable to no-one for the damage they are causing. They don't care how many people lose their jobs as a result of the lockdowns, the taxpayer is still paying their wages every month.

I know some folk thought Mrs T descended from heaven (to quote the Pope's phrase about Mussolini) but am still intrigued by your confidence in predicting what her policy would have been on this. Are you in Ouija board contact with her of an evening?

 

[alicat]

Think I was going around 12mph - when a car drove into me.

Snap! Or to be more accurate, I cycled into a car when the SMIDSY driver pulled out on me when I was on a roundabout.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

@I like Skol

In a doubtless vain attempt to drag back on topic, what specifically did you have in mind by the following - what do you believe cyclists should be changing?

As cyclists is it again time we proactively reduce our exposure to injury risk

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

I know some folk thought Mrs T descended from heaven (to quote the Pope's phrase about Mussolini) but am still intrigued by your confidence in predicting what her policy would have been on this. Are you in Ouija board contact with her of an evening?

I know one thing, Mrs T would have decided on a course of action and then stuck to it regardless. She would not have been flip-flopping and making complete U-turns every few hours/days. If she had decided lockdown was the way, she would have had the force of personality to carry the population with her. Every time Boris says something, then does the complete opposite 24 hours later he just makes himself look like a fool, and people lose faith with the plan. The current lockdown won't work because people are sick of the restrictions and a high proportion have no intention whatsoever in complying with them. Instead of meeting up down the pub, they are just going to mix domestically in small enclosed spaces instead, minus any form of social distancing. Fridges are already being well stocked with beer, it's just going to go underground with no precautions and no track & trace..

 

[Blue Hills]

faulty memory there skipdiver - Mrs T didn't carry the population with her at all - her period was one of the most divided in the country's long history. Maybe since the civil war - though she kept her head.

You've only just noticed that Boris is a shyster with few fixed positions or core?

 

[Fab Foodie]

The spread is perfectly manageable. The numbers are sticking in the mid 20,000's a day and they are not shooting up through the roof, and the testing rates are much higher than they were six months ago so a higher proportion of the virus is being detected. The "experts" would like everyone locked down for the next year if they had it their way, they are obsessed by trying to suppress the numbers instead of just making the best of the situation. Johnson has shown he ain't no Mrs T when it comes to having a backbone. He just craps himself and panics as soon as he has to deal with anything unpalatable. It's the easy way out for politicians to hide behind "experts" and they are accountable to no-one for the damage they are causing. They don't care how many people lose their jobs as a result of the lockdowns, the taxpayer is still paying their wages every month.

If only Johnson had listened to his experts and hid behind them...

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

faulty memory there skipdiver - Mrs T didn't carry the population with her at all - her period was one of the most divided in the country's long history. Maybe since the civil war - though she kept her head.

She carried enough of the population with her to win three elections all the same, a tally only equalled by slimy Blair - who also did not enjoy universal support and admiration.
If Boris doesn't buck his ideas up PDQ, the knives will be out for him and he'll be gone before the next election. I'm sure a few letters are already being prepared to the 1922 committee right now. He's really skating on thin ice, if he tries to do a dirty Brexit deal with the EU, he will be gone within a year from now.

 

[Fab Foodie]

….if he tries to do a dirty Brexit deal with the EU, he will be gone within a year from now.

Is there another kind he can do?

 

[kingrollo]

faulty memory there skipdiver - Mrs T didn't carry the population with her at all - her period was one of the most divided in the country's long history. Maybe since the civil war - though she kept her head.

You've only just noticed that Boris is a shyster with few fixed positions or core?

Yup - also she cut the NHS to the bone - and didn't care how long people waited - 3 won elections sure - but at that time we had 2 opposition parties - I don't believe she got over 50% of the vote (not that many do). As soon as the SDP went she was on a donward spiral.

Can I get through post without saying 'Evil Middle Class Witch" ? - it would seem not.

 

[kingrollo]

She carried enough of the population with her to win three elections all the same, a tally only equalled by slimy Blair - who also did not enjoy universal support and admiration.
If Boris doesn't buck his ideas up PDQ, the knives will be out for him and he'll be gone before the next election. I'm sure a few letters are already being prepared to the 1922 committee right now. He's really skating on thin ice, if he tries to do a dirty Brexit deal with the EU, he will be gone within a year from now.

Boris was never good. He is robust in debate and can brilliantly humiliate those question him - and his very funny at time - but loveable, bumbling buffoon, isn't what is required in a pandemic. We need a thoughtful, grey, boring PM - Who quietly gets things done.

 

[Blue Hills]

I don't believe she got over 50% of the vote (not that many do).

Yep, the british electoral system ensures that you can be far from universely loved and still be triumphant, even with way more seats than the other bunch. Parties have lost elections even though they had more share of the popular vote. I well remember during Thatcher's pomp coming across a woman who seemed to think that she was universely loved/supported. I was taken aback by an image of the bubble she must have lived in.