raleighnut
Legendary Member
- Location
- One of the 'Elite'
They pulled down my local, The Magazine Hotel in Newarke St. Leicester. Grade 2 listed, I believe that cost the developers a £1000 fine. 
Pub demolition turns unexpectedly expensive!
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vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
It could have been worse. It could have been another Costa coffee shop.
midlife
Legendary Member
Developers here in Carlisle care watching a mansion fall to bits while they wait to developed it ...
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/historic-carlisle-house-could-be-demolished-1.1208120
Shaun
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/historic-carlisle-house-could-be-demolished-1.1208120
Shaun
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
To be fair its absence would improve the view. It's a pretty unremarkable building visually. Even the neighbours want it gone.
shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
- Location
- Manchester way
I was going to have a rant about this as soon as I saw the thread. I lived in student accommodation just up Oxford Road when I first moved to Manchester, The *sticky knickers* was my favourite local. It is a travesty what happened to it and 20+ years later it still grinds my teeth.
raleighnut
Legendary Member
- Location
- One of the 'Elite'
This was the 'Mag', a Victorian coaching inn (with stabling) that then allegedly became a pub with a brothel in the 30s-40s and was possibly the best pub in Leicester City
The Architect who designed/built it only did one other building in Leicester, the railway station on London Rd.
The Architect who designed/built it only did one other building in Leicester, the railway station on London Rd.
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It will be interesting to see how this progresses. I am sure they would factored the funds for a legal challenge but a reinstatement order is probably something that they never expected. It will be legal all the way I suppose. If it goes down the path of bankruptcy which I doubt, the council would have won.
andytheflyer
Guru
- Location
- South Cheshire
I went in there years ago and saw the knickers. Story was that ladies going into the pub were persuaded to part with said underwear and they were then pinned to the ceiling beams, knickers that it, not said ladies......
Makes you proud to be a Brit!
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Because the mayor is on the board of the company?
shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
- Location
- Manchester way
There were quite a few clearly not regular wear pants, maybe a bit of an urban myth or once word got around people coming in and making the offer?
It wasn't that type of all gimmick pub, it was a traditional establishment with a good cellar and nice atmosphere for whiling away a few hours. The Britons Protection a few yards away now is my Manchester pub of choice now, albeit I'm really not a drinker any more.
There was a development of flats built on the site of a large old house near where my in-laws live. The proposed development was contentions not only due to the high-density of the proposed scheme (i.e. numbers of apartments crammed onto the site) but also due to the fact that the developers proposed the cutting down of a number of lovely large lime trees on the site as this would improve the view from the apartments and therefore the price they would command.
After many years of objections and appeals they finally got planning subject to the trees staying, and tree preservation orders ("TPOs") were put on the lime trees. The development was completed and during the build they "mistakenly" chopped down the 50ft lime trees, stating that they thought that the TPOs related to the 12-15ft high straggly silver birches on site.
They were taken to court and fined the princely sum of £250 per tree, £1500 in total, plus costs. Bearing in mind removing these trees was said to have increased the value of the properties by £200k, it was no surprise to see the developers come out of court with smiles as wide at the horizon. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it showed again how toothless the law is in such matters.
After many years of objections and appeals they finally got planning subject to the trees staying, and tree preservation orders ("TPOs") were put on the lime trees. The development was completed and during the build they "mistakenly" chopped down the 50ft lime trees, stating that they thought that the TPOs related to the 12-15ft high straggly silver birches on site.
They were taken to court and fined the princely sum of £250 per tree, £1500 in total, plus costs. Bearing in mind removing these trees was said to have increased the value of the properties by £200k, it was no surprise to see the developers come out of court with smiles as wide at the horizon. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it showed again how toothless the law is in such matters.
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Over The Hill
Guru
- Location
- Ridden off into the sunset
So to recap;
Pub had no protection as council had not bothered to put it on any list despite it being up for re-use.
Owners knock down the pub they own with such action not being contrary to any order or protection in any way.
Council retrospectively put on an order for the pile of rubble to be made back to a pub and get the courts to enforce it.
Pub owners somehow are the bad guys!
Am I missing something here?
Pub had no protection as council had not bothered to put it on any list despite it being up for re-use.
Owners knock down the pub they own with such action not being contrary to any order or protection in any way.
Council retrospectively put on an order for the pile of rubble to be made back to a pub and get the courts to enforce it.
Pub owners somehow are the bad guys!
Am I missing something here?
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
As far as it goes, you're right.
However, having been declined planning permission to build flats on the basis of the building of historic interest that already occupies the site, the developers thought they'd try to be clever - remove the building, they remove the objection.
They've tried to play the system, as is fairly common practice. Unfortunately for them the council have successfully played another part of the system and shoved it up their arriss.
It was a cynical attempt to try and be a bit clever, but the problem with people who think they're clever is that they rarely are, a lesson that's presumably passed by the businessmen of Tel Aviv.
However, having been declined planning permission to build flats on the basis of the building of historic interest that already occupies the site, the developers thought they'd try to be clever - remove the building, they remove the objection.
They've tried to play the system, as is fairly common practice. Unfortunately for them the council have successfully played another part of the system and shoved it up their arriss.
It was a cynical attempt to try and be a bit clever, but the problem with people who think they're clever is that they rarely are, a lesson that's presumably passed by the businessmen of Tel Aviv.
