Dogtrousers
Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
I think it's amazing that the B52s are still going.
I mean, Rock Lobster was released in 1978!
I mean, Rock Lobster was released in 1978!
Red Arrows to Fly Foreign Built / Designed Aircraft?
- Thread starter Illaveago
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
TBH The Hawk is only good as a trainer. It's not that good in a display, now F16 would be good - I've seen that they can do. Google 'F16 Dirty Roll'.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sol...ate=ive&vld=cid:73beba37,vid:gpUE6ezOQVs,st:0
https://www.google.com/search?q=sol...ate=ive&vld=cid:73beba37,vid:gpUE6ezOQVs,st:0
Yeah, whatevah.
IanSmithCSE
Guru
- Location
- Worcester, Worcestershire
Good morning,
It's going to be hard to avoid NACA territory, but President Trump has made Europe think about it's defence capabilities and requirements in a way that opens up a lot of possibilities that were unlikley a year ago.
Russia/Ukraine and P. Trump have shown that the belief that war in Europe could never happen again so defence spending and defence industries didn't really matter. is a wrong.
However UK businesses and employees are already massively overtaxed so defence spending will probably have to come at the cost of other government spending, so there will be a need to blame somebody for it.
Being someone liked/hated P. Trump can and already is being used by European policitians to promote massive increases in public expenditure on defence, we must do this because;
But this defence commitment could come with a new attitude; such as Fred Aviation can compete, then replacing the Hawk could be easy. After all the Spitfire was a modified race plane from a company with no military supply experience.
This is where it gets hard, we need companies that can afford the development costs but are not so big that they waste vast sums of money on just operating. Boeing built the Staturn V first stage but seems to be struggling with their Starliner.
My understanding is that the Hawk is primarily a trainer with some ground attack capabilities added afterwards to make it sellable, conceptually it is slow (just sub Mach 1), slightly unstable so it feels like a real fighter, but cheap to run with a long life. These abilities are just as valid now as when it was first designed and as it can never out perform a pure air superiority/ground attack aircraft why waste the effort trying to be a bit faster or carry a slightly heavier payload?
In other words a smaller company could do what Musk did with Space X, (keep selling old NASA technology under a new name with a few tweaks). The Hawk would no longer a BAE product but the Tawny Owl, a new concept from Worcester Advanced Aerospace a company formed from F1 expertise and the Radar and electronics expertise from cold war establisment from Malvern and perhaps Aldermaston (AWRE).
In other words replacing the Hawk is not fundamentally a technical one but a presentation one, the replacement aircraft must by definition of its role be pretty much the same as old Hawk, There simply hasn't been the deevlopment in materials or electronics to make a radically new design required.
Bye
Ian
It's going to be hard to avoid NACA territory, but President Trump has made Europe think about it's defence capabilities and requirements in a way that opens up a lot of possibilities that were unlikley a year ago.
Russia/Ukraine and P. Trump have shown that the belief that war in Europe could never happen again so defence spending and defence industries didn't really matter. is a wrong.
However UK businesses and employees are already massively overtaxed so defence spending will probably have to come at the cost of other government spending, so there will be a need to blame somebody for it.
Being someone liked/hated P. Trump can and already is being used by European policitians to promote massive increases in public expenditure on defence, we must do this because;
- Trump is evil and has no interest in Europe
- Trump is right, the defence of Europe is not the US's problem.
- Both
But this defence commitment could come with a new attitude; such as Fred Aviation can compete, then replacing the Hawk could be easy. After all the Spitfire was a modified race plane from a company with no military supply experience.
This is where it gets hard, we need companies that can afford the development costs but are not so big that they waste vast sums of money on just operating. Boeing built the Staturn V first stage but seems to be struggling with their Starliner.
My understanding is that the Hawk is primarily a trainer with some ground attack capabilities added afterwards to make it sellable, conceptually it is slow (just sub Mach 1), slightly unstable so it feels like a real fighter, but cheap to run with a long life. These abilities are just as valid now as when it was first designed and as it can never out perform a pure air superiority/ground attack aircraft why waste the effort trying to be a bit faster or carry a slightly heavier payload?
In other words a smaller company could do what Musk did with Space X, (keep selling old NASA technology under a new name with a few tweaks). The Hawk would no longer a BAE product but the Tawny Owl, a new concept from Worcester Advanced Aerospace a company formed from F1 expertise and the Radar and electronics expertise from cold war establisment from Malvern and perhaps Aldermaston (AWRE).
In other words replacing the Hawk is not fundamentally a technical one but a presentation one, the replacement aircraft must by definition of its role be pretty much the same as old Hawk, There simply hasn't been the deevlopment in materials or electronics to make a radically new design required.
Bye
Ian
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Moon bunny
Judging your grammar
- Location
- Basking in my own brilliance.
If the HSE get involved it will be unmanned drones.
All uphill
Still rolling along
- Location
- Somerset
And that is probably the direction to go. Time for Biggles to retire
sevenfourate
Devotee of OCD
- Location
- Lowestoft, Suffolk
With proven RAMS provided; before a permit to work gets issued.
WW3 would be over before the UK even began keeping the woke crowd happy….
Jameshow
Guru
But it's an outdated plane the f16 beats it hands down and is cheap enough.
Jameshow
Guru
Actually it's alot more expensive X3!🤣
We see them regularly flying over our house.
Do you live on the white cliffs of Dover? 😂
No, about 4 miles from Brands Hatch.
They fly out of Biggin Hill and one of their shorter loops goes over us, to the QE2 bridge.
Longer routes go over Leeds Castle and White Cliffs.
