For those still trying to work this out & the rest who have given in, "white flagged".
The reason I asked Speicher & MossCommuter if they wanted to give the answer is because I said something to both of them. Something, that I feel was taken the wrong way, possibly it was the way in which it was worded. No ill intentions on my part, I just thought that they might have helped the rest of you.
That part was made in private, the apology, to both, I make in public.