RLJ-ing: A Minority Pastime?

[Davidsw8]

Oh gosh no I wasn't referring to you anyway, that was just a general observation that life usually balances itself out that way.

I have been referred to as overly cautious by people, no worries

I understand what you say though, life does have a way of creating a balance.

 

[campbellab]

No some rules can't be broken. Some rules are broken because people feel a. they won't be caught and b. the consequences of being caught are not high enough. What people do is risk assess which is based on likelihood and impact. Raise the likelihood of being caught and increase the fine and drivers won't do 80mph on motorways and cyclists won't rlj.

Lots of rules/laws can be broken, if the circumstances dictate. We have a complex legal system, some judgements are based on the opinions of our peers, laws are intepreted differently by different people (hence all the appeals), laws are revoked, changed, reworded, or new laws are brought in. If rules were perfect we wouldn't need all of the above.

Pretty easy to argue a ped crossing is defective if its red with no peds in sight!

 

[J.Primus]

[QUOTE 2117055, member: 45"]RLJing is a social crime[/quote]

What's a social crime? Like farting in a lift?

 

[defy-one]

Swearing before small children.
Leering at women
Urinating in public on a saturday night
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Cycling through red lights!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

[defy-one]

I take it you are a RLJer? Watch out, if I don't get you then a bigger faster moving vehicle might.

A bit uncalled for!
Now your wishing a fellow cyclist harm becuase he doesn't suscribe to your way of thinking?

 

[Scruffmonster]

A bit uncalled for!
Now your wishing a fellow cyclist harm becuase he doesn't suscribe to your way of thinking?

To be fair, unless there has been a major technological leap, I'm sure everyone is pretty safe in their war bunker, armed with their keyboard and mouse.

 

[Crankarm]

A bit uncalled for!
Now your wishing a fellow cyclist harm becuase he doesn't suscribe to your way of thinking?

No I am not. He may well be a law breaker which if he is a RLJer and he runs a red light the likelihood of getting knocked down is quite high or causing an accident whether he is invloved or not is high. He deserves all he gets if he does do this. It is the poor sod who is using a junction legitimately who collides with him or another road user in an effort to avoid a collision with the RLJer that I feel sorry for and any other party who is injured as a result of his selfishness and stupidity. Red lights are in place to protect us all. Deciding that you won't obey them is just plain wrong and selfish toward the rest of us who do adhere to traffic signals.

 

[Scruffmonster]

Red lights are in place to protect us all.

They're not actually... But that's a whole nother convo

 

[Crankarm]

They're not actually... But that's a whole nother convo

Ehh???? You've lost me.

 

[Scruffmonster]

Ehh???? You've lost me.

Traffic lights were not invented, and are not designed, to 'Protect us all'.

They are made, and used, to control traffic. Much has been written on their effectiveness in society, but you'd need to leave your preconceptions at the door, which I can't see happening.

 

[dodd82]

On a separate note, I have long wondered why some sets of traffic lights are not switched off late at night.

There are some junctions where the control is unquestionably needed during the day, but outside of normal daylight hours, people would be perfectly capable of treating it as a junction without lights.

Not only would it be easier for traffic, but it'd save electricity

 

[Crankarm]

Traffic lights were not invented, and are not designed, to 'Protect us all'.

They are made, and used, to control traffic. Much has been written on their effectiveness in society, but you'd need to leave your preconceptions at the door, which I can't see happening.

There is no need to be obtuse. If you were to take your blinkers off you might see some thing .............. .

Of course traffic lights controll traffic flow but they also provide road safety for everyone if road users adhere to them. It gets tricky if one group of road users arbitarily decides they are going to opt out of obeying them.

 

[Scruffmonster]

There is no need to be obtuse. If you were to take your blinkers off you might see some thing .............. .

Of course traffic lights controll traffic flow but they also provide road safety for everyone if road users adhere to them. It gets tricky if one group of road users arbitarily decides they are going to opt out obeying them.

No.

They do not provide road safety. This is an indication of how you feel about it, not what is actually true.

They act as stop/go signs and turn off our brains. I'm not being obtuse at all. Take a read of the various studies and arguments on the subject.

 

[Crankarm]

On a separate note, I have long wondered why some sets of traffic lights are not switched off late at night.

There are some junctions where the control is unquestionably needed during the day, but outside of normal daylight hours, people would be perfectly capable of treating it as a junction without lights.

Not only would it be easier for traffic, but it'd save electricity

In France many lights turn to flashing amber - proceed with caution. However for the speeding motorist approaching a green or amber flashing traffic light, it can strangely turn to red. Hidden just out of sight will be a couple of gendarmes waiting to nick the speeder if he/she fails to slow and jumps the red light.

 

[Crankarm]

No.

They do not provide road safety. This is an indication of how you feel about it, not what is actually true.

They act as stop/go signs and turn off our brains. I'm not being obtuse at all. Take a read of the various studies and arguments on the subject.

You are claiming that there have been various studies to support your view so you provide evidence or links to them. Jeees ............