steve52
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- bottesford scunthorpe
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hackbike 666 said:I don't really get how this all started.There wasn't any rljing when I first started commuting.
Freewheeler said:Did they have traffic lights when you started commuting?
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Cab said:Because its perceived by some cyclists as harmless. They're looking before they go so the risk is low (a VERY small percentage of cycling causaities are caused by cyclists red light jumping). They also don't want the hassle and extra energy expenditure of stopping and starting again.
Frankly, wherever a law is perceived as (1) not making you any safer, (2) not having any victims if you break it, and (3) not having any consequences for breaking it, it'll be broken.
Its rather like speeding and the naff arguments people use to justify that.
Cab said:Because its perceived by some cyclists as harmless. They're looking before they go so the risk is low (a VERY small percentage of cycling causaities are caused by cyclists red light jumping). They also don't want the hassle and extra energy expenditure of stopping and starting again.
Frankly, wherever a law is perceived as (1) not making you any safer, (2) not having any victims if you break it, and (3) not having any consequences for breaking it, it'll be broken.
Its rather like speeding and the naff arguments people use to justify that.
Cars have been doing that for years.PK99 said:RLJ at a traffic junction may be a victimless crime - but would you be happy to see cars doing the same?
on the road said:Cars have been doing that for years.
small fish said:but generally just get a 'dirty cyclist scum look' off them...
Yes they do. What happens is that that line of cars will all go through a red light, I've seen it happen.PK99 said:Cars generally don't RLJ long after the light goes red and there is a line of cars already stopped.
Having avoided several RLJing cars turning left when I was going straight on through a green light I'd beg to differ.PK99 said:Cars generally don't RLJ long after the light goes red and there is a line of cars already stopped.
I suggest that you should have written that the line of cars may go through a red light. Saying that they will go through is akin to saying that all cyclists go through every red light just because you've seen it happen once.on the road said:Yes they do. What happens is that that line of cars will all go through a red light, I've seen it happen.
Ive seen plenty of drivers do both. For instance I've been stopped at a junction the car behind stops too but after 3 or 4 secs of red it all gets too much for them and they pull out around me and go through red/opposing traffic. Also Ive seen when I've been sitting stationary for several seconds a driver undertaking the stationary line of cars in front of them and go straight through the ped x'ing.PK99 said:Cars generally don't RLJ long after the light goes red and there is a line of cars already stopped.
Many cyclist RLJ's do - when that is at a pedestrian crossing there is NO defence.