A few years ago, it seemed as though Rohloff speedhubs would be everywhere but they seem to be still a niche gear choice. But I still want a steel Rohloff-equipped on and off-road touring / bikepacking bike, that I can also use for commuting, including in our cold and icy winters here in Ontario. I've done my research, but I wanted to ask you knowledgeable folks if I'm missing anything. So far as I can see, 1. this is going to be expensive; and 2. there are not many commercial choices; and 3. the best choices are in Britain. So my best choices appear to be: 1. Thorn Raven or Nomad - upside: Thorn have been doing this for longer than most and they seem to know what they are doing, relatively good value (around £3000 for what I'd want), and the Nomad can be built up with S&S couplings as a standard option; downside: aesthetics. 2. Shand Tam Rohloff - upside: better looking than Thorn's options, S&S couplings available; downside: more expensive. 3. Sven Explorer Rohloff - upside: beautiful, best frameset; downside: the most expensive off-the-peg option by far (well over £4000). 4. Rotor Komet Rohloff - upside: excellent value (only just over £2000), highly customizable; downside: based in Germany. 5. Surly Troll or Ogre - upside: maybe cheaper (although it's not actually a great time to buy American from Canada right now); downside: not as Rohloff-specific- the frames will take Rohloff but they aren't specifically built for them, and it's not even offered as an obvious option on the website. 5. Salsa Fargo - upsides and downsides are much the same as for Surly. 6. Custom - upside: will be exactly what I want, local production; more expensive than everything except maybe the Sven; I'd probably go with an Ontario maker like True North. I have also come across a few Rohloff-compatible frames like Intec's, but while I have built up bikes before, I feel rather less confident of taking up the challenge of putting a Rohloff-based bike together, and I don't know of any bike shops around where I am that know anything about Rohloff either. So, opionions and any other options to add to my list, please!