Thanks for all the help guys I am only going to carrying trousers,shirt,underwear,towel,lunch,water bottle plus the usual tools and spares to get me home if there was a problem, so a heavy duty touring rack is not essential yet I do intend to tour one day but that will be the excuse for a new bike and gear ;op. As I have never had a rack before the different types confuse me, like where does the disc brake specific racks actually attach to? I am trying to save up for a turbo trainer so I am really looking for a cheap bur cheery rack. Im not really bothered about how the bike looks as I more than make up for that,the sexy mo fo I am!!!!!!!