Rugby at school level

[AndyRM]

I am still waiting for the explanation of how playing futsall will equip children to play rugby or what the concern is about rugby players heading the ball

It's called rugby football.

 

[spen666]

It's called rugby football.

and what has that got to do with anything?

How does futsall equip a child to play rugby?

 

[spen666]

agenda, are you stupid the subject matter is rugby but I've also mentioned football, I could go on to mention other sports if you'd like me too improve your understanding of sport in general.
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once again (it must be my Irish accent) its not about banning rugby or whatever sport or stopping children exercising although I do believe that its time to bring in new sporting activities to schools such as self defence, martial arts (non contact ) instead of the traditional football or rugby.
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and your constant reference to rugby and heading the ball is making you look extremely stupid or foolish, you pick one

You mentioned heading the ball in this debate about rugby. I am still trying to work out what heading a ball has to do with rugby

I am also still trying to understand how playing futsall equips anyone to play rugby football








If its not about banning rugby, then why are you repeatedly posting about banning it? Rugby Union involves tackling, scrummaging etc as integral parts of the game. Ban those and you no longer have rugby union , so however you dress it up you are running an agenda to ban rugby union

 

[Profpointy]

as idiotic as the post I was replying to that was using the fact of knowing of one person who suffered a serious rugby injury as a justification to ban the sport.

Strangely you didn't call that post idiotic - because it supports your anti rugby agenda?

Umm no, I didn't call on banning the sport. As I said upthread the use of the term "diddums might get hurt" in such a context was crass an ignorant.

Let's try a comaprison. We all accept there's an element of risk in cycling, risk of death even. But "diddums might get hurt" would not be considered remotely approriate, at least outside the daily mail or some petrolhead website.

 

[User10119]

My kids have both done years of karate training. The EldestCub took part from about 6 until he was about 13 before deciding that he had higher priorities than training for a brown belt. This coincided with his school PE disenchantment and the resulting adoption of a very anti competitive sports stance in general - not helped that the requirements for a brown belt include participation in formal competition. The SmallestCub, having gone along to watch every week from the age of about 2 months, started the very first class after his 5th birthday (he wasn't prepared to wait a week longer) and is still going aged 10, generally pretty enthusiastically, despite the fact that he has progressed much more slowly through the gradings (he's done white/red/yellow/orange so far - his brother had got to that level in half the time, and kids who started a couple of years later than him have overtaken him). The senior students (and the teacher) have turned up with the odd broken toe or black eye from competitions where something went wrong so they know that, particularly beyond a certain level, there is a definite risk of getting hurt. I'm not the obvious parent to send their child to train in martial arts to be honest - but they chose it, and I support it, in a club with a sensible attitude to risk and the management thereof. I wouldn't be happy with them doing the same training in a class at school with one (non-specialist) teacher supervising 30 of them at a time.

 

[spen666]

idiotic post

If you can't debate without insults then please desist.

The moderators have already warned you.

 

[green1]

that makes very little sense, like I stated I've never spent any time in hospital in childhood nor adulthood yet I'm well aware of the risk/reward equation or whatever that entails, I imagine there are many like me who didn't need hospital stays to understand elements of danger or stupidbility which sounds more like the risk/reward equation that you speak of.

It depends on your character and how risk averse you are. I have always been a natural risk taker, the scrapes I got into as a youngster helped my re-calibrate to an extent but it's still there, it's just how I'm naturally wired. My OH on the other hand has a very high aversion to risk and we can drive each other up the wall. She always thinks what could go wrong, I'm just looking for the adrenaline rush.

 

[User10119]

You mentioned heading the ball in this debate about rugby. I am still trying to work out what heading a ball has to do with rugby

I am also still trying to understand how playing futsall equips anyone to play rugby football

Oh, get over yourself. Nobody said it did. The conversation broadened to include other sports and the ways in which risks in sport can be managed in an age-appropriate way - which encourages participation, in my opinion.

its not about banning sport, for example in most of europe kids play what we'd call 5 a side they call it futsal, smaller ball, played mostly on the floor, smaller pitch negating to a degree of heading the ball, simple solution without banning the game.

IotCB made no mention of Rugby in his discussion of futsal, stop pretending that he did.

 

[smutchin]

You can't prevent all risks

Indeed not, but you can - and should - aim to mitigate unnecessary risks.

 

[slowmotion]

On the body mass matter, the average 14 year old Irish boy was 24kg heavier in 2002 than 50 years previously. I couldn't find UK data.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19208691

RESULTS:
Significant increases in height and weight were observed in both boys and girls and in all age groups across the decades. The increases in weight were disproportionate to the trends in height. While boys aged 14 years were 23 cm taller 2002 than in 1948, their average weight was 61 kg, compared with 37 kg in 1948, an increase of 24 kg. A substantial proportion of the increase in weight is seen between the 1970s and 2002.

 

[Jimidh]

I’m a father of a 14 year old rugby player and i’m happy at the precautions his club take with the boys and girls in the club.

The pre high school kids play touch Rugby to get them used to the game.

As they get older they are taught how to tackle properly, the scrums are still fairly tame at that age too.

Although the team are organised at age levels, smaller kids aren’t moved up if they are not physically able so they are not going up against kids who are much larger than them.

It’s all about taking the correct precautions so kids can play contact sports whilst minimising the risk of serious injury.

My son is also a keen mountain biker and I worry about him more doing that than I have on the Rugby field.

 

[Dayvo]

smaller kids aren’t moved up if they are not physically able so they are not going up against kids who are much larger than them.

They should do the same at international level!

 

[green1]

They should do the same at international level!

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Or maybe not.

 

[User10119]

I’m a father of a 14 year old rugby player and i’m happy at the precautions his club take with the boys and girls in the club.

The pre high school kids play touch Rugby to get them used to the game.

As they get older they are taught how to tackle properly, the scrums are still fairly tame at that age too.

Although the team are organised at age levels, smaller kids aren’t moved up if they are not physically able so they are not going up against kids who are much larger than them.

It’s all about taking the correct precautions so kids can play contact sports whilst minimising the risk of serious injury.

My son is also a keen mountain biker and I worry about him more doing that than I have on the Rugby field.

(my bold) - completely agree.

But I do think that there is a problem with applying those very sensible precautions in a school, rather than a club, context - such as mixing up different age children to get roughly matching size/ability etc. whereas a typical class in school will have the whole range all mixed up and there won't be a large number of classes timetabled for PE at the same time... You probably have more coaching expertise (both in terms of depth and breadth) than is typically available in a KS3 class too.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

PE absolutely should be compulsory for children, to promote heathy active lifestyles, but I can't see a reason why that should mean contact sports for everyone.

Compulsory home economics and dietary lessons then?