Serious accident in Finchley. Another tipper-truck.

[glenn forger]

Not banish. Investigate, monitor, lorries have an extremely poor safety record, how many cyclist fatalities were connected with The Shard? Who insured Dennis Putz? How could a man with multiple driving bans get a job driving a lorry in London?

 

[mark st1]

[QUOTE 2563285, member: 30090"]
As for driving them, let me know when you've taken and passed your 'one'[/quote]

Although i agree with alot you have written in this thread arrogance in any form isnt pretty. What you have on your licence doesnt count for shoot when you dont look where your going (not saying that applies to you just in general).

 

[gaz]

[QUOTE 2563311, member: 30090"]I'm not believe me and if the mirrors on a rigid are set up correctly and a class IV mirror is fitted then there are no blind spots.[/quote]
Can you clarify what a class IV mirror is for those of us that don't know.

 

[mark st1]

Not banish. Investigate, monitor, lorries have an extremely poor safety record, how many cyclist fatalities were connected with The Shard? Who insured Dennis Putz? How could a man with multiple driving bans get a job driving a lorry in London?

Just out of interest how do the statistics against say Black cabs or White van men stack up against lorries ? I dont know them im just asking i get if its just fatalities lorries probably come out worse but unfortunately they are a necessary evil imo .

 

[Jezston]

Many is NOT all.

And 'many' is a lot more than none, which User30090 was very rudely implying.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

[QUOTE 2563278, member: 30090"]No the difference is that I understand logistics and have worked in the industry. Where as you and a few others are firing straight from the hip saying that HGV's should be banned without thinking through the implucations of such an action.[/quote]
Logistics in this context is just another word for cycling fatalities.

 

[Primal Scream]

If the driver is impatient and not concentrating the best set up tipper lorry in the country is still potentially lethal.

The consequences for dangerous and careless driving should be much higher. For example if the fine for using a mobile whilst driving was 6 points and a £1000 fine it would almost end the practice.

 

[gaz]

Reasons for what? So that if a truck driver doesn't see a cyclist on their near side the cyclist will only have minor injuries? Why are you pursuing this in this way?

Because he's a ....

 

[gaz]

All this talk about mirrors is pretty pointless, whilst adding some mirrors removes blind spots, the driver still has to look into them to see if anything is there. And judging by the way that most people use the roads, mirrors are not something that are checked regularly.

 

[mark st1]

If the driver is impatient and not concentrating the best set up tipper lorry in the country is still potentially lethal.

The consequences for dangerous and careless driving should be much higher. For example if the fine for using a mobile whilst driving was 6 points and a £1000 fine it would almost end the practice.

The fine for HGV or bus drivers can be up to £2500 compared to £1000 for car drivers i think. Points are the same though iirc

 

[Primal Scream]

The fine for HGV or bus drivers can be up to £2500 compared to £1000 for car drivers i think. Points are the same though iirc

Fair enough, I have learnt something new

 

[mark st1]

Fair enough, I have learnt something new

Agree though the points should be higher as a greater deterrent as i doubt the fine ever gets near that maximum. There is so many dirt cheap bluetooth hands free stuff out nowadays that its an inexcusable thing to do anyway.

 

[Primal Scream]

Agree though the points should be higher as a greater deterrent as i doubt the fine ever gets near that maximum. There is so many dirt cheap bluetooth hands free stuff out nowadays that its an inexcusable thing to do anyway.

My hand free kit was £55, works a treat although I still try to avoid using it if i can even though it has voice control.

 

[mark st1]

Tom Tom all singing all dancing lorry sat-nav has blue tooth built in lush piece of kit provided by my caring boss but for £570 if i was buying it id want it to perform favors for that price .

 

[slowmotion]

I've seen graphics showing the blind-spots on artics when they are turning (quite sobering), but tipper trucks aren't articulated. I would imagine that the lateral blindspots, with well set up mirrors, are pretty much non-existant. Personally, when I hear a tipper truck anywhere near me, the adrenaline starts pumping. They tend to be driven a bit "briskly".