Sheffield Train Station Cycle Lane Blocked.

[Sheffield_Tiger]

Y'know what...looking at this, the problem would be so easily solved

(1) leave the cycle lane in place

(2) bin the traffiv "island"

(3) put a taxi rank where the island is, with they cycle lane to the side

The taxis have somewhere to stop, they provide segragation - nowhere is there likely to be a speed "dooring" - and I can see taxis do sometimes use the hatched areas and leave the cycle lane exit free

That island is a waste of useable road space

 

[marinyork]

That island is a waste of useable road space

You can't have a contraflow cycle lane set against a no entry sign without an island. This is because you aren't allowed to have a 'except cyclists' written below the no entry sign. Until the law's changed (perhaps very soon) it's something that costs contraflow implementation a great deal of money.

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

In other words

"the law is a ass"

 

[Mad at urage]

...
(3) put a taxi rank where the island is, with they cycle lane to the side
...

Door-zone.

 

[marinyork]

Door-zone.

Ditch the lane, have a taxi rank and a contraflow road (when the law's changed).

 

[Jezston]

You can't have a contraflow cycle lane set against a no entry sign without an island. This is because you aren't allowed to have a 'except cyclists' written below the no entry sign. Until the law's changed (perhaps very soon) it's something that costs contraflow implementation a great deal of money.

You sure? I'm familiar with several bits of contraflow cycle lane that don't have anything physically separating them from the traffic moving in the other direction.

 

[marinyork]

You sure? I'm familiar with several bits of contraflow cycle lane that don't have anything physically separating them from the traffic moving in the other direction.

Yes.

The 'no entry' refers to that sign. You can have 'except buses' etc you can't have 'except cyclists' therefore you build an island. There are other ways of getting around this. There have been a few experiments around the country on this before the law is hopefully changed.

The confusion arises because it only refers to the sign itself. You're allowed to have a solid white line and no barrier after the sign, you can even see that for the contraflow lane we're talking about. Once you've built an island, you might as well make it reasonably large to reinforce it, but you don't have to.

Contrary to popular cycling myth you can even have a contraflow road with no lane whatsoever, there are examples of them. If we had a lot more of them it'd probably be a lot better state of affairs.

 

[summerdays]

Isn't some where trialling an alternative to the No entry, island, cycle lane contraflow (which presumably could be dealt with the No Motor Vehicles sign instead if better understood).

 

[Jezston]

I was going to show you this but I didn't realise it appears to back you up:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...d=0iz9Fot8EcbybrN4Or6Zeg&cbp=12,95.31,,0,3.64

 

[marinyork]

I was going to show you this but I didn't realise it appears to back you up:

http://maps.google.c...2,95.31,,0,3.64

Far out there! That's an unorthodox approach. How does that work at night? Do you not get vehicles crashing into bollards?

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

I was going to show you this but I didn't realise it appears to back you up:
http://maps.google.c...2,95.31,,0,3.64

But this one, just down the other end of the street doesn't. Appears to be a contra-flow without any island.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...3212,-1.480021&spn=0.012031,0.032401&t=h&z=16

 

[marinyork]

But this one, just down the other end of the street doesn't. Appears to be a contra-flow without any island.

http://maps.google.c...032401&t=h&z=16

There isn't a no entry sign on that one .

 

[JamesAC]

Yes.

The 'no entry' refers to that sign. You can have 'except buses' etc you can't have 'except cyclists' therefore you build an island. There are other ways of getting around this. There have been a few experiments around the country on this before the law is hopefully changed.

The confusion arises because it only refers to the sign itself. You're allowed to have a solid white line and no barrier after the sign, you can even see that for the contraflow lane we're talking about. Once you've built an island, you might as well make it reasonably large to reinforce it, but you don't have to.

Contrary to popular cycling myth you can even have a contraflow road with no lane whatsoever, there are examples of them. If we had a lot more of them it'd probably be a lot better state of affairs.

eg Narrow Street in Limehouse, east London.

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

There isn't a no entry sign on that one .

How weird. The road markings all suggest that it is a one way street apart from the cycle lane. At the end that I showed, the stop line goes across the whole carriageway apart from the cycle lane, but there isn't a no-entry sign. At the other end of the street, there is a traffic light and pedestrian crossing, but the only stop line is across the end of the cycle lane and nothing across the main carriageway, and there aren't any "one-way" signs. What is all that about?

 

[marinyork]

How weird. The road markings all suggest that it is a one way street apart from the cycle lane. At the end that I showed, the stop line goes across the whole carriageway apart from the cycle lane, but there isn't a no-entry sign. At the other end of the street, there is a traffic light and pedestrian crossing, but the only stop line is across the end of the cycle lane and nothing across the main carriageway, and there aren't any "one-way" signs. What is all that about?

It's just using the other road signs (I did say there were other ways of doing it). You have four roads meeting. Let us consider the other three. First one of the other ones is a one way street - Strand. So hopefully you're not going to get anything coming left out of there having gone the wrong way up all or part of it (a fair way). Second road is Sadler Road, now we can't see up that on streetview but I'm guessing there is a sign that says right turn only as well as it painted on the road and a slight angling of the exit. The only other way of getting there is Bold Lane which had a no right turn except cyclists. No roundabout to do a u-turn, so it makes sense.

I'm not sure if that was built today that you wouldn't have a few planners frowning at it. It might be deliberately like that to get enough space for buses/lorries to swing right/left out of the road or emergency vehicles taking a nifty shortcut, but then again it has very generous pavements.