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Rainbows aren't just for world champions
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Much the same as a normal pedal cycle. The only reason motoring carries mandatory insurance is the damages done often exceed personal finance.
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Legal liability of what actions??? Riding a bike????
Drago
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Yes, I think that's what he meant. As we all know, youd be very unlikely indeed to kill someone, but riding a bike can go wrong and it is well within the realms of possibilty that a third party could be injured or their property damaged, and as cyclists we are liable for that, potentially either criminally or civilly if we are at fault.
We have a duty of care not to be deliberately careless or reckless with our behaviour with respect to other people and their property, and that doesn't change just because we've sat astride a bicycle.
We have a duty of care not to be deliberately careless or reckless with our behaviour with respect to other people and their property, and that doesn't change just because we've sat astride a bicycle.
BoldonLad
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Riding recklessly or irresponsibly etc, in much the same way as the catch all “obstructing the Queens Highway”. My point being that yet more legislation is not necessary, enforcement of existing legislation is (necessary).
Whose riding recklessly or irresponsibly????? Are you in the right thread
BoldonLad
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I didn’t say that ANYONE was riding irresponsibly. Up thread there is discussion of speeds, power etc reference e-bikes, and, insurance, VED, etc. i was merely suggesting that mayhem could be avoided, without recourse to more rules and regulations. IMHO, of course.
Only thing that was ref: was speed of assist on an ebike that’s within the regulations, some want the regulations changed for a more US type of speed. So no one is riding irresponsibly.........I didn’t say that ANYONE was riding irresponsibly. Up thread there is discussion of speeds, power etc reference e-bikes, and, insurance, VED, etc. i was merely suggesting that mayhem could be avoided, without recourse to more rules and regulations. IMHO, of course.
my ref to speed was why am I allowed to ride a road bike upwards of 30mph and 50mph downhill, but only allowed an assist speed on my ebike of 15.5mph???
obviously after 15.5mph the bike must be pedalled unassisted, but the same bike is still able to go 20,25,30,35,40......mph, so what difference will an extra 4.5mph of assist cause???
BoldonLad
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Ok. Have a nice day.
newfhouse
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So why do you want a change?
I never said I did.........
Drago
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20 isn't excessive, and can already be achieved by either pedalling faster or buying a speed pedelec.
But in the US...the country our esteemed leader is trying to do a trade deal with, they can have a 20mph speed limit without having to buy another speed pedelec, but they still have to pedal to get that speed
T.M.H.N.E.T
Rainbows aren't just for world champions
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Do you want the UK limit raised or not then?
I don't see it in terms of the max assisted speed being raised, more like the minimum speed being raised. Yes the responsible will be responsible, naturally, but there'll be quite a few that will just hoon around at a minimum speed of 20mph, unencumbered by physical inability.
15.5mph is fine, I'd go further and say that only torque sensing bikes should be allowed 🤷♂️ There's a lot of bikes out there that simply sense the crank is moving, that's enough to deliver full power with about 1watt from the rider.
15.5mph is fine, I'd go further and say that only torque sensing bikes should be allowed 🤷♂️ There's a lot of bikes out there that simply sense the crank is moving, that's enough to deliver full power with about 1watt from the rider.