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[dawesome]

Any actual examples of posters claiming cyclists are saints or just a general sort of wistful feeling?

(just cycled 5 miles through icy streets since my last post!).

 

[col]

Any actual examples of posters claiming cyclists are saints or just a general sort of wistful feeling?

(just cycled 5 miles through icy streets since my last post!).

I wont give examples , as the examples might think Im having a go at them personally. But there are plenty for you to browse
An icy five miles? No ta, jim jams and stargazing live for me

 

[dawesome]

I wont give examples , as the examples might think Im having a go at them personally.

Mmmmmkay.

 

[fenlandpsychocyclist]

It'd be interesting to know the age statistics of cyclists injured by vehicles.

I suspect a huge percentage of cycling casualties are children, with the vehicle driver being blamed.

 

[dawesome]

It'd be interesting to know the age statistics of cyclists injured by vehicles.

I suspect a huge percentage of cycling casualties are children, with the vehicle driver being blamed.

Most child cycling injuries don't involve other vehicles,it's in the risky cycling link upthread:

The 64-page analysis found that police attributed responsibility for collisions more or less evenly between drivers and cyclists overall, but this was skewed by the fact that when child riders were involved their behaviour was named as a primary factor more than three-quarters of the time.
With adult cyclists, police found the driver solely responsible in about 60%-75% of all cases, and riders solely at fault 17%-25% of the time.
The cyclists' lobby group CTC said the report showed that the government needed to focus more on driver behaviour rather than on issues such as cyclists wearing helmets.

 

[boydj]

It'd be interesting to know the age statistics of cyclists injured by vehicles.

I suspect a huge percentage of cycling casualties are children, with the vehicle driver being blamed.

My understanding is that the opposite is true - in terms of blame. In adult cycle/vehicle incidents the cyclist is rarely to blame, while children are far more likely to do silly things.

 

[benb]

Stupidity or arrogance on a bike can indeed kill - it just happens to be the rider.

It's a common sense and courtesy game - not a blame game.

If it's going to be this childish polarized "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!" argument for ever and ever then it's going to get you nowhere.

I never said that "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!"so please don't call me childish. Nerr.

 

[benb]

Fixed of free wheel?

Equal probability of both, until we look inside the box and the probability functions collapse.

 

[benb]

Col seems to make a very fair and reasonable point to me. There is a big difference between holding a position diametrically opposed to that of another contributor and one just a few critical degrees off to one side.

Of course there are dreadful cyclists. As Col says, being 'soft-skinned' doesn't make them saints. It doesn't make them clever either.

There are dreadful drivers too. There are few drivers who feel the need to post online the antics of dreadful cyclists.

Most road users are courteous, skilled and law-abiding. Those few who are not can be found on every possible type of road transport.

Yes, of course there are dreadful cyclists. But dreadful cyclists are, in the vast majority of cases, only a danger to themselves. Dreadful drivers are often a danger to everyone they encounter.

 

[Jezston]

You obviously missed the sentence

If it's going to be this childish polarized "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!" argument for ever and ever then it's going to get you nowhere.​

I really don't see anyone making any kind of argument suggesting this in any way.

If people are misinterpreting people's statements and drawing such sentiment from them, this might explain some of the attitudes seen on this thread and others like it.

I know 3 other people who have got cameras for capturing their journeys - 2 of them are not cyclists and use them in their cars, the purpose being to capture the same kind of bad driving that threatens cyclists. One of them got one after being caught out by a textbook forced-collision scam by a couple of minicab drivers.

There is no war between cyclists and drivers agenda here. I'm sure most of the camera users here also drive.

 

[Cheradenine]

A commonly misunderstood concept. You are translating a theory of the sub microscopic world into the macro sphere which is fairly meaningless at best.

No it extends beyond quantum physics.

Studies rarely set out to disprove themself, no researcher is going to constantly prove they are not worth the pay cheque, they will nearly always find in their own favour.

As time goes on and cameras, GPS, IRF and collison detection becomes more and more common in almost anything with wheels we will start seeing the raw data related to collisions and not just from the cyclists view point.

When this happens a lot of people are going to have to take a long hard look at the victim status of cyclists that is being put forward in a lot of the cycling media, this is not to say that there are not bad drivers out there but it certainly is not as dangerous as many claim it to be and in many circumstances cyclists contribute to there own demise through the way they use the road and how they dress and equip themself while doing so.

The snooty way of ignoring this is by claiming that some people are not "real cyclists" or that they are "persons on a bike", it's a weak argument and one that needs to be ignored.

 

[dawesome]

When this happens a lot of people are going to have to take a long hard look at the victim status of cyclists that is being put forward in a lot of the cycling media, this is not to say that there are not bad drivers out there but it certainly is not as dangerous as many claim it to be and in many circumstances cyclists contribute to there own demise through the way they use the road

You've been asked several times and ignored the question, but, hopefully, have you any actual evidence that cyclists being rarely at fault is an "illusion", as you claimed?

 

[Cheradenine]

You've been asked several times and ignored the question, but, hopefully, have you any actual evidence that cyclists being rarely at fault is an "illusion", as you claimed?

I didn't say it was an illusion.

I said that not enough data exists to make a claim either way right now, if you lokoed for drivers being at fault then thats the answer you will mostly get, if you look for cyclists being at fault then you will largely get that result also, if you include a third catergory of just pure dumb luck or an unfortunate series of events you will get a third set of figures.

Expressed as percentage and totted up all three will account for more than 100% of incidents as there will be overlap in findings, it's at this stage you need a Venn diagram and it all gets a bit abstract.

Studies by the Guardian are not something I would trust as a real indicator, go back and read the rest of my post instead of cherry picking the few lines you want in order to prove a shrill argument.

 

[dawesome]

I didn't say it was an illusion.

We don't know that.

As I said - if we all go over to cameras drivers may well do the same and it will indeed shatter our illusions about drivers being in the wrong the majority of the time.

You change something the moment you try to observe it, always remember that.

 

[dawesome]

Studies by the Guardian are not something I would trust as a real indicator, go back and read the rest of my post instead of cherry picking the few lines you want in order to prove a shrill argument.

It was a study by Transport For London, reported in the Guardian.