Smidgaf - video - would you report this

[benb]

If cyclists go to head cams and cherry pick bad road use by drivers it's just going to lead to tit for tat from drivers with dash cams.

Drivers are shockingly bad but then again so are about 50% of the cyclists I have seen out there.

I guess the difference is that only one is significantly likely to kill you.

 

[Cheradenine]

I guess the difference is that only one is significantly likely to kill you.

Stupidity or arrogance on a bike can indeed kill - it just happens to be the rider.

It's a common sense and courtesy game - not a blame game.

If it's going to be this childish polarized "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!" argument for ever and ever then it's going to get you nowhere.

 

[dawesome]

Stupidity or arrogance on a bike can indeed kill - it just happens to be the rider.

It's a common sense and courtesy game - not a blame game.

If it's going to be this childish polarized "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!" argument for ever and ever then it's going to get you nowhere.

Transgressions by motor vehicle drivers are more common, and more deadly. That's a fact, in most collsions between a cyclist and driver the driver is at fault.

That's why all the pressure to film commutes comes mainly from cyclists. That tells all you need to no, we are the ones threatened and bullied so we fight back by carrying an independent witness.

 

[Cheradenine]

Transgressions by motor vehicle drivers are more common, and more deadly. That's a fact, in most collsions between a cyclist and driver the driver is at fault.

That's why all the pressure to film commutes comes mainly from cyclists. That tells all you need to no, we are the ones threatened and bullied so we fight back by carrying an independent witness.

We don't know that.

As I said - if we all go over to cameras drivers may well do the same and it will indeed shatter our illusions about drivers being in the wrong the majority of the time.

You change something the moment you try to observe it, always remember that.

 

[subaqua]

^ does that means shrodingers cat was cycling inside the box ??

 

[Cheradenine]

^ does that means shrodingers cat was cycling inside the box ??

Fixed of free wheel?

 

[dawesome]

We don't know that.

.

Don't know what?

Worldwide studies confirm in most vehicle/cyclist collision the driver's at fault:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/15/cycling-bike-accidents-study

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/drivers-at-fault-in-majority-of-cycling-accidents-28489/

 

[Cheradenine]

Don't know what?

Worldwide studies confirm in most vehicle/cyclist collision the driver's at fault:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/15/cycling-bike-accidents-study

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/artic...jority-of-cycling-accidents-28489/[/quote]And Most studies go looking for the answers they want to hear, no one sets out to spunk away research money that then proves they were not worth the funding in the first place.

As I said, as digital tech moves on and cameras and IRF and tracking end's up built into anything with wheels there is going to be a great deal of disapointment to come for the more shrill elements of the pro-cycling lobby[/url].

 

[dawesome]

Nice, disagree with the findings so assert without a shred of evidence the Monash University Accident Research Centre is biased and corrupt.

 

[Thomk]

We don't know that.

As I said - if we all go over to cameras drivers may well do the same and it will indeed shatter our illusions about drivers being in the wrong the majority of the time.

You change something the moment you try to observe it, always remember that.

A commonly misunderstood concept. You are translating a theory of the sub microscopic world into the macro sphere which is fairly meaningless at best.

 

[dawesome]

As I said - if we all go over to cameras drivers may well do the same and it will indeed shatter our illusions about drivers being in the wrong the majority of the time.

I'd be jolly interested in seeing any published evidence that suggests cyclists are usually at fault in a bike/vehicle collision.

Got any?

 

[fenlandpsychocyclist]

If cyclists go to head cams and cherry pick bad road use by drivers it's just going to lead to tit for tat from drivers with dash cams.

Bear in mind many haulage firms and local bus companies are fitting cameras to record incidents, so any incident of car/hgv/bus vs cyclist
that is captured on the cyclists' camera ... may also be filmed on the vehicle as well.
My friends haulage company has two cameras on each truck as per the request of his insurers.

Which leads me on to the small detail that if you are involved in a near miss, you may be able to contact the company involved and ask
to view their video recordings prior to making a complaint.

 

[BentMikey]

If it's going to be this childish polarized "cyclists are good and drivers are evil!" argument for ever and ever then it's going to get you nowhere.

As far as I can see, in this topic it's only you doing this polarizing, yes? I offer you the Silly Cyclists series to press home my point. We're all the same humans with the same sort of attitude to road use.

And in the reality of motor vehicle vs cyclist collisions, then yes, it is the driver to blame most of the time. That's not to say that drivers are bad, but that it's a simple consequence of the cager effect - some soft skinned vulnerable cyclists might not obey rules of the road, but they are considerably more motivated to avoid injury to themselves than drivers protected inside their metal cage.

 

[BentMikey]

p.s. great username!!!

 

[col]

Bear in mind many haulage firms and local bus companies are fitting cameras to record incidents, so any incident of car/hgv/bus vs cyclist
that is captured on the cyclists' camera ... may also be filmed on the vehicle as well.
My friends haulage company has two cameras on each truck as per the request of his insurers.

Which leads me on to the small detail that if you are involved in a near miss, you may be able to contact the company involved and ask
to view their video recordings prior to making a complaint.

That works both ways. Im in a position of being able to see things from both sides. Yes there are a lot of bad drivers out there, but also there are bad cyclists. My experience has generally been good from cyclists, but Iv also had bad ones. But my point is, I wonder how this all would seem if the tables were turned. Drivers recorded and cherry picked what cyclists got up to. I believe there would be relatively as many so called numpty/law breaking/dangerous and what ever the other names cyclists have called them, cyclists out there. As for the cams fitted to vehicles, they were origionally for countering a motor claim that didnt happen, ie the claim of a bus touching or catching a vehicle so the owner can get work done on the companies insurance. There were surprisingly a lot of these.