Snapped spindle

[Ming the Merciless]

How much did his hammer and chisel weigh?

And which came first

 

[silva]

Now here's a thought. Hear me out.

How about using a chisel as a spindle?

To Bring you Back with your feet on the Safe Ground: the dealer used a chisel to hammer out the driveside part of the HollowTech2 chainset on my previous bike, as Part of the Process to Solve my Problem of a Lot play.

And it was Solved.
Hammer and chisel served their part of Getting The Job Done.

And here and now, you Announce the Idea of using the chisel as a spindle and ask for opinions.
Fine with me, but why not also mount the hammer in the bicycle somewhere too?
My Idea would be on top of your handlebar.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

as Part of the Process to Solve my Problem of a Lot play.

How did it go from no play to lots of play ?

 

[silva]

None of Hollowduck’s credit cards weigh 20g. I guess this is why Hollowduck is always away from the lights first, not being weighed down . Solidduck is meanwhile still stuck at the lights, quacking on about lightweight “cheating” ways..

It wasn't the weight, it was the DIFFERENCE between the weights of 2 different shaft wall thicknesses.
That is, the weight penalty, for a 29% better torsion break resistence:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7576913

Discuss about what I said, not what you say, if that isn't Obvious, Mister "Ming the Merciless".

 

[Ming the Merciless]

It wasn't the weight, it was the DIFFERENCE between the weights of 2 different shaft wall thicknesses.
That is, the weight penalty, for a 29% better torsion break resistence:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7576913

Discuss about what I said, not what you say, if that isn't Obvious, Mister "Ming the Merciless".

Except as pointed out, you had the wall thickness incorrect and your torque figures were 3 times more than an Olympic track gold medalist can produce.

 

[silva]

How did it go from no play to lots of play ?

Restarting discussions, again:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570371
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570039
"a Lot" = enough to make the chainring void the frame:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7569994

Again: the dealer used hammer and chisel, and ParkTools howto also states it may be needed.

About your new Nth point of criticism here: you equal my description "alot of play" as neglection, but for my case, singlespeed, chainring 52T on the previous bike, the clearance the chainring had with the frame tube, was barely a mm away.
That is, at the edge, the top of the teeth of the chainring.
So, any play is already "alot", since the chainring would start to fret in the alu of the frames tube.
I noticed paint damage, that's how I discovered it.
It's rather you that neglects / interpretes in any harmful way you can to the extreme.

And I didn't oil my chains for a while, as a test, I said it on this forum.
So your next criticism point is once again a jesting of not knowing.
But since you mention it here, I'll be once again your guest:
But problem with no oil was, despite a chain shielded away as much as possible from road mud and rain, that humidity in the air condensed on the metal, resulting in rust, which forced me back to putting oil on it.
I don't have a heated place to park the bike, so overnight in humid air = rust by the morning.
So, I couldn't continue the test of chain wear without lubrication, so no test results.
Repeat for you, with my pleasure.
But you're hunting problems instead of solutions, no?

I put it in bold
You can ignore it now again.
And in the future ask again.
Then I can show it you again.
And so on!

 

[silva]

Except as pointed out, you had the wall thickness incorrect and your torque figures were 3 times more than an Olympic track gold medalist can produce.

Restarting 2 discussion points again: it wasn't ment as "correct", which I literally said: I just filled in very rude bicycle-alike figures.
Because, and also said, it doesn't matter, that 29% better torsion stress is a PERCENTAGE, 1% of 100 mm or 1% of 100000000 mm, it's both 1%.
Because it's formula based, not parameter value based:
5 is 1% of 500
50 is 1% of 5000
500 is 1% of 50000
Captains Obvious and Parrot talking to you again, better listen to them instead of to the band that kept playing on the Titanic to Boost the Morale, with Captain Hindsight arriving too late on the scene after having to swim 3800 metres downwards.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Restarting discussions, again:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570371
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570039
"a Lot" = enough to make the chainring void the frame:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7569994

Restarting discussions, again:
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570371
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7570039
"a Lot" = enough to make the chainring void the frame:

I put it in bold
You can ignore it now again.
And in the future ask again.
Then I can show it you again.
And so on!

Can you not answer in a concise paragraph? I don’t need links to discussion about removing cranks. That is irrelevant to the question I asked you.

How did your Bottom Bracket go from no play to lots of play?

 

[fossyant]

Can you not answer is a concise paragraph? I

Don't be silly, you'll get chapter and verse !

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Don't be silly, you'll get chapter and verse !

About something entirely irrelevant to the question asked. Unless of course Silva fitted his bottom bracket with hammer and chisel; explaining why it was very loose to start with!

 

[classic33]

I compared those 20 grammes HollowTech2 weight-cheating in racing (the Hollow Religion) "benefit" with the weight of a credit card.
You then talked about 5 grammes credit cards, after which I proved (internet link) you that 20 grammes (and more) weighting credit cards are commonly available.

Your "Industrial Standard",* "Dictates", lol?
Are you Claiming that > 5 grammes weighting credit cards are Illegal?

I think you went too far into yourself here.
But that's your problem, not mine, right?

*Do your homework, then come back and reply. It is International Standard not Industrial Standard.

I checked two cards on that "internet link" you claim proves your point, with the issuers, and was told it's incorrect.

I'd mark you down on your homework, but with the amount of mistakes made, I doubt you did any to mark.

 

[silva]

Can you not answer in a concise paragraph? I don’t need links to discussion about removing cranks. That is irrelevant to the question I asked you.

How did your Bottom Bracket go from no play to lots of play?

I give you a Copy Cat of the Answer:

About your new Nth point of criticism here: you equal my description "alot of play" as neglection, but for my case, singlespeed, chainring 52T on the previous bike, the clearance the chainring had with the frame tube, was barely a mm away.
That is, at the edge, the top of the teeth of the chainring.
So, any play is already "alot", since the chainring would start to fret in the alu of the frames tube.
I noticed paint damage, that's how I discovered it.

 

[classic33]

I give you a Copy Cat of the Answer:

About your new Nth point of criticism here: you equal my description "alot of play" as neglection, but for my case, singlespeed, chainring 52T on the previous bike, the clearance the chainring had with the frame tube, was barely a mm away.
That is, at the edge, the top of the teeth of the chainring.
So, any play is already "alot", since the chainring would start to fret in the alu of the frames tube.
I noticed paint damage, that's how I discovered it.

Before or after you filed the teeth down?

 

[silva]

*Do your homework, then come back and reply. It is International Standard not Industrial Standard.

I checked two cards on that "internet link" you claim proves your point, with the issuers, and was told it's incorrect.

I'd mark you down on your homework, but with the amount of mistakes made, I doubt you did any to mark.

*** "Industrial Standard" were your OWN words, Mister classic33:

To which I asked

And your answer being

In which you added something never mentioned previously, having possibly realised your mistake.
Followed by

I mentioned the 5g credit/debit cards because that is the industry standard, covered by the
ISO/IEC 7810 ID-1 standard.

It dictates the size of the card, and weight of credit/debit cards and a multitude of others.

Squander
waste (something, especially money or time) in a reckless and foolish manner.
You're a lot closer to doing that than I am.

 

[Drago]

To Bring you Back with your feet on the Safe Ground: the dealer used a chisel to hammer out the driveside part of the HollowTech2 chainset on my previous bike, as Part of the Process to Solve my Problem of a Lot play.

And it was Solved.
Hammer and chisel served their part of Getting The Job Done.

And here and now, you Announce the Idea of using the chisel as a spindle and ask for opinions.
Fine with me, but why not also mount the hammer in the bicycle somewhere too?
My Idea would be on top of your handlebar.

Proof if ever it were needed - the hammer and chisel are wonder tools.