Taking off the door mirror...

[benb]

Obviously serious injury or death is different to a damaged wing mirror. But a near miss is just that. What if every time you had a near miss in a car (not your fault) you got out and attacked the driver or damaged their car? Does the law protect you because you had a near miss? No you get prosecuted for criminal damage, road rage or assault.

The OP said he only did it when contact occurred. I.E. when it was just luck that he wasn't injured or killed.
If you think that's no worse than damaging a wing mirror, I worry.

BTW, I'm not saying the OP is right to do what he did, but pretending that both actions are morally equivalent is ludicrous.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Motorists will see it differently. Motorist on motorist conflict is the same herd. Remember that cyclists are different and stick out more.

Motorists regard WVM as an out-group yes?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I think you're mindset is there for all to see. This is so far removed from reasonable behavior in my opinion there's no point discussing further. I'm out

Well, I can't remember the last time I actually lost my temper and I've never committed an act of criminal damage or vandalism.

Anyway, this thread is now just going round in circles and I've nothing new to add. Au revoir.

Who is the current arbiter of flouncery?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

More of a screamer/yeller/hand guesture cyclist than physical damage.

The more room when passing please gesture.... you know the one...

...that's what set WVM man off in August. Worst piece of conflict I've ever been in two-wheels or four.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

The OP said he only did it when contact occurred. I.E. when it was just luck that he wasn't injured or killed.
If you think that's no worse than damaging a wing mirror, I worry.

BTW, I'm not saying the OP is right to do what he did, but pretending that both actions are morally equivalent is ludicrous.

The OP isn't saying the OP is right to do what he did. The OP is just saying what he did. And asking people's opinions and trying to understand their viewpoint.

The OP has found a better way; a headcam.

EDIT sorry @benb not aimed at you, just posting for clarity.

 

[theclaud]

Who is the current arbiter of flouncery?

It remains Smeglington. The post is not susceptible to re-election.

@Smeggers II!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Obviously serious injury or death is different to a damaged wing mirror. But a near miss is just that. What if every time you had a near miss in a car (not your fault) you got out and attacked the driver or damaged their car? Does the law protect you because you had a near miss? No you get prosecuted for criminal damage, road rage or assault.

Never done it after a near miss. A miss is as good as a mile. But when you end up with torn i.e. ruined bibs £90 a pair and a bruised and grazed arse check, irreplaceable, or lying on the verge with a dead arm and a passer-by asking "WTF?" because a nobber-driver can't be bothered to pull over to overtake you can only conclude that no 'near miss' was involved.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Help from mental professionals if your kicking wing mirrors off cars. Which then makes you as bad as the people you are attacking.

Yes the police could back up whatever sections of society better and hand out appropriate sentences but that is discussion for another thread.

I disagree. They are attacking my person with their property. I am attacking their property with my person.

Dog bites man.
Man bites dog.

Not the same thing at all.

 

[Linford]

I disagree. They are attacking my person with their property. I am attacking their property with my person.

Dog bites man.
Man bites dog.

Not the same thing at all.

Attack implies they have done it deliberately

 

[GrumpyGregry]

As you say, my opinion is only that, an opinion.

However, inasmuch as the current law represents the opinion of the wider society in which we live as regards what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior, chasing after motorists and then damaging their cars (regardless of what they had done to you previously) is unacceptable. You can argue whether the law is reasonable or not of course, but as it stands, society's rules (in their manifestation in the law) say unreasonable

I have never, ever, in my life chased after a motorist. Pointless on my commute except in the last 3km where, very often there is a 2.n long solid queue of cars at which point, depending on how late in my journey the knobjockey struck me, I often pass the twunt.

Even in the case of the petrol station I rode past while he was filling up and simply turned off to have a polite calm chat. But he could only, like good authors in the song, use four letter words and got all hands-on with my bike.

(and I gambled that he wouldn't drive off without paying.)

 

[Linford]

I have never, ever, in my life chased after a motorist. Pointless on my commute except in the last 3km where, very often there is a 2.n long solid queue of cars at which point, depending on how late in my journey the knobjockey struck me, I often pass the twunt.

Even in the case of the petrol station I rode past while he was filling up and simply turned off to have a polite calm chat. But he could only, like good authors in the song, use four letter words and got all hands-on with my bike.

(and I gambled that he wouldn't drive off without paying.)

Was that before or after you have damaged his property ?

 

[theclaud]

It is just a simple matter of perception. Like those city centre maps that have sprung up everywhere that aren't orientated north but the direction you are facing.

Never mind drivers and their wing mirrors. This sort of thing clearly demands violent retaliation.

 

[Shadowfax]

Wowzers !

Worried.

 

[lejogger]

I witnessed an incident last week where a motorist honked their horn repeatedly and then got involved in loud and angry verbals with a cyclist who had the cheek to cycle down a cycle lane and enter the ASL zone in front of them.
It continued to the next set of lights whereby the cyclist calmly pulled up behind them, opened their boot and cycled off into the distance.

A little childish, but probably hugely satisfying to the cyclist, infuriating to the motorist, yet no damage to either party or their belongings.

A cyclist has no right to damage someone else's property, no matter how wronged they may feel, and certainly not out of anger or frustration. There are better, more legal, and more appropriate ways to show your feelings than criminal damage.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

[QUOTE 2917109, member: 45"]Can I gave a tmn?[/quote]
you may.