MissTillyFlop
Evil communist dictator, lover of gerbils & Pope.
I'm worth more than all of you and you all get more than you're entitled to
*calls secret police "quick, one of the proles has realised his self worth - destroy him"*
I'm worth more than all of you and you all get more than you're entitled to
I'm worth more than all of you and you all get more than you're entitled to
no more than 48 hours per week ( 7 days) on average , averaged over 17 weeks. When i was on the tools i signed the opt out . regularly CHOSE to work more and it earned me the 20% deposit for my 1st house . i am currently in a job where i am deemed to not be covered by the working time regulations.
Can you define what you would deem reasonable additional hours to be worked? I would deem that up to 10% of your directed hours would be reasonable , i can't find anything in NUT guidance ..... yet.
You would deem 10% of directed hours reasonable.
Ummm, directed hours = 1265 (in normal years)
plus 10% = 1391.5
over 39 weeks, that is 35.7 hours.
Are you really sure you mean that?
35.7 hours pew week for 39 teaching weeks a year for a professional job and salary
Taking an alternative route to a number:
The WTD limits to 48 hours per week averaged over 17 weeks ie 17*48 = 816 hours in 17 weeks
17 weeks is approx 1/3 of a year
split the 39 week teaching year into three periods of 13 teaching weeks
the WTD 17 week averaging limits to 816 hours in those 13 weeks as the other 4 of the 17 are non teaching weeks
816/13 = 62.7 hours average over a the 13 teaching week.
(i accept that that is a first order calculation and the number approximate)
Now i would regard 63 hours a week every week as unhealthy and unacceptable, but do you see that calling on the working time directive to support your case does not work
Somewhere between your 35.7 hours and the WTD number of 63 hours is an appropriate balance, but the use of the 1265 directed hours is to fundamentally misunderstand the teachers contract of employment by which they are required to work what ever reasonable additional hours are required for the proper fulfilment of their professional duties in addition to the 1265 directed hours
Working 10% extra of the extra that teachers do by staying to 17.00 and beyond is reasonable.
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is it sufficient? 8:30 to 1700 are shorter daily hours than most professionals work and most professionals are at work 45 weeks (5 leave, 10 days bank holidays) not 39
Two points:
1. looking simply at hours worked in a week is not valid given the structure of a school year of 39 teaching weeks: annual hours worked gives a better comparison to other professional jobs.
2. not all teachers and not all schools work to 5 pm or beyond. The primary school my daughters attended was dark till 8:15-8:30 in the morning and dark by 4:30 every afternoon - I was a parent governor and it was my "job" to notice such things. (the head and the culture changed!!)
you still fail to grasp the maximum hours that the kids can be there. you can't teach whats not there can you.
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I don't fail to grasp that at all - the point is that the actual teaching is only part of a teachers job - essentially the 1265 directed hours. There is neither specification of nor agreement on what additional hours are reasonable to do the other aspects of the job - just my wife's job has no specified hours. Her time sheet shows a normal 45 hours for 45 weeks a year = 2025 hours not including lunch breaks (if she has time to take one, normally it is a mug of soup at her desk)
In my opinion that is one of the reasons I like them. When you have more than one child, it might mean that you get to spend some time with one or two of them rather than all of them so can do something that the older/younger sibling wouldn't want to do. Or you can choose to go to somewhere like Legoland and hope that there will be fewer people there than normal. As long as the school publishes the dates with good notice. I already have all the INSET dates for next year.In my experience, most parents get arsy on this subject because they have to look after their kids for a day.