Team BKool CycleChat

[bridgy]

I propose a new "Geoff's Law" - the better your stage result, the greater the likelihood that stage will be used by Geoff to calclulate the next handicap stage

 

[Northern Tortoise]

Rather than 230 Watts (or 199 Watts), how about we go with your 215.42 Watts from this month's Merry Harriers? Since your weight will be much lower, the gradient is effectively much reduced, so hopefully you should be able to get close to that figure. Then if need be, we can adjust for next week.



Do you think the big disparity between your 230 Watts and the 287.67 Watts on Stage 5 was due to the super high gradients? With your weight reduced the gradient on the Handicap climbs will be effectively that bit lower. Shame you didn't try Bonus Sprint 2, have you done the Merry Harriers at all, or anything similar?



@Northern Tortoise Stuart, your average power on the Bonus Sprint 2 (Merry Harriers) was much higher (302.9 W), do you think this was because the session was short? This week's Handicap is three times the Merry Harriers, so keeping up that kind of power will be harder, also the effective gradient will be lower as your weight will be lower.

Rather than 230 Watts (or 199 Watts), how about we go with your 215.42 Watts from this month's Merry Harriers? Since your weight will be much lower, the gradient is effectively much reduced, so hopefully you should be able to get close to that figure. Then if need be, we can adjust for next week.



Do you think the big disparity between your 230 Watts and the 287.67 Watts on Stage 5 was due to the super high gradients? With your weight reduced the gradient on the Handicap climbs will be effectively that bit lower. Shame you didn't try Bonus Sprint 2, have you done the Merry Harriers at all, or anything similar?



@Northern Tortoise Stuart, your average power on the Bonus Sprint 2 (Merry Harriers) was much higher (302.9 W), do you think this was because the session was short? This week's Handicap is three times the Merry Harriers, so keeping up that kind of power will be harder, also the effective gradient will be lower as your weight will be lower.

Thanks Geoff looking back my average watts are somewhere between 250 and 260 don't think I can keep over 300 hundred up for anything longer than Merry Harriers as watts were dropping off at the end. Current weight 94Kg hope this helps.

 

[BILL S]

347 Watts at 79kg was my last FTP, up Huez. I would say this is about on the money for me now.

Fantastic result Adam
Is this your highest FTP?

 

[CXRAndy]

I have just completed the final stage of the spring league. I set Adam, Tommy, Berty and some other chap as ghosts. Bloody hell, Adam and Tommy went off so fast, I thought I had got left behind. I tagged onto Adam for a mile or so but his staccato acceleration ruined my rhythm, so that was a no go. I thought Tommy would drift upto me, I was comfortable with my pace and slowly edge out 50 seconds before the climb, knowing Tommy generally climbs better than I do. My main concern was having a big enough lead over Berty, being my nearest challenge in the league. I know he can climb quickly. So 3 minutes was my target at the foot of the hill, thankfully I didn't need to worry about Berty. I held a 10 secs lead over Tommy until the last 0.3 mile, then as usual Tommy flew by and took a 30 secs lead(he is good at last minute bursts). I dug in and kept a high power until the line and let Tommy win by 2 seconds

Actually I was more pleased just to keep with his time, well done Tommy. Adam steadier pacing please in future

 

[Add]

Fantastic result Adam
Is this your highest FTP?

No, I had a slightly higher FTP on that silly climb where we all shot to stardom and the land of green hats. But I don't really trust that as much tbh. The Alpe run was me giving it everything. That was about 3 weeks ago, and I certainly haven't improved since then.

 

[gbrown]

Yeah, if adding a few kilos doesn't change things too much I'm ditching the salads and hitting the donuts.....

I think I'm going to go for reducing everyone's weight, as it is less likely to hit resistance limits.

When everyone see's how much quicker they can go, I expect a boom in diet books so I'm buying shares in slimfast...

 

[gbrown]

Paul, I'm thinking that was strategic by Lars to miss out stage 5 because then his FTP would be way up like ours. I think Geoff might see through it though and give him a handicap weight somewhere above mine but lower than yours.

Not looking that way at the moment...

He's getting about a 5% lower weight than you! 334.71 v's 355.07 watts

 

[BILL S]

Not looking that way at the moment...

He's getting about a 5% lower weight than you! 334.71 v's 355.07 watts

 

[Soarerv8]

Rather than 230 Watts (or 199 Watts), how about we go with your 215.42 Watts from this month's Merry Harriers? Since your weight will be much lower, the gradient is effectively much reduced, so hopefully you should be able to get close to that figure. Then if need be, we can adjust for next week.



Do you think the big disparity between your 230 Watts and the 287.67 Watts on Stage 5 was due to the super high gradients? With your weight reduced the gradient on the Handicap climbs will be effectively that bit lower. Shame you didn't try Bonus Sprint 2, have you done the Merry Harriers at all, or anything similar?



@Northern Tortoise Stuart, your average power on the Bonus Sprint 2 (Merry Harriers) was much higher (302.9 W), do you think this was because the session was short? This week's Handicap is three times the Merry Harriers, so keeping up that kind of power will be harder, also the effective gradient will be lower as your weight will be lower.

Think the stage 5 one was that silly big climb where I somehow stayed with Bobinski. I was getting a lot of assistance from blue speed so I think it is probably an unrealistic figure (if it calculates power back from that). Happy with whatever you put and for it to then be adjusted on the next one but suspect the 230 is more likely (although 280 would give me the opportunity to moan about the evil Geoff more)

 

[bobinski]

Ftp of 304w at 77kg as of 5th may.

Interesting: my Zwift ftp is 274w as of last week when i set PB times on the mountain route. I think it may be the more accurate.

 

[bridgy]

I think I'm going to go for reducing everyone's weight, as it is less likely to hit resistance limits.

When everyone see's how much quicker they can go, I expect a boom in diet books so I'm buying shares in slimfast...

Excellent - I look forward to going on the Geoff-diet....

 

[theboxers]

Rather than 230 Watts (or 199 Watts), how about we go with your 215.42 Watts from this month's Merry Harriers? Since your weight will be much lower, the gradient is effectively much reduced, so hopefully you should be able to get close to that figure. Then if need be, we can adjust for next week.

I'm good with the 215 if that's what you worked the weight out on. I can not seem to hold higher power up hill too well. My Merry Harriers was a bury me after effort. I'll see how I go tomorrow

 

[gbrown]

Paul, I'm thinking that was strategic by Lars to miss out stage 5 because then his FTP would be way up like ours. I think Geoff might see through it though and give him a handicap weight somewhere above mine but lower than yours.

Ha, busted!

From Bonus Sprint 2 up the Merry Harriers!

 

[theboxers]

I guess this first stage is very much an experiment, but it should give us some more accurate power figures for later runs. It will be very interesting to see how the simulator responds to the wide variation in weights and weight changes.

If my experiment on the last ttt with adjusted weight is anything to go by there will be a few confused people here . @76kg my power registered 20 or so watts lower on bkool than the vectors. I'm not sure how it compared to a previous attempt on this stage as I can't find it. Normally the vectors are 20 watts or so lower that bkool .

 

[gbrown]

OK, it's looking something like this...