Team BKool CycleChat

[Daddy Pig]

Thanks Jacob that's really interesting - particularly as I have just had an email back from canyon saying: "The damage to your bike looks unlike anything I have ever seen before" - and asking me to send several more photos of the complete bike (which is a right pain as I boxed it back up today!)

Here's a pic of what I'm missing out on enjoying
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Out of interest why disc brakes? There 're not many decents in the UK where you need prolonged braking...

 

[bridgy]

Out of interest why disc brakes? There 're not many decent in the UK where you need prolonged braking...

Well I have a couple of friends who have bought new bikes recently with disc brakes and are complete converts and say they would never go back. I'm used to discs through mountain biking and know how good they can be, and I decided I would probably end up regretting it if I didn't go for them. I'm not racing or anything and the slight weight penalty doesn't bother me but the idea of better, more reliable braking does appeal - so why not!

I know some people hate the look of them on a road bike but - maybe because of my mountain biking - I actually like how they look. It was for practical reasons I went for them though

 

[JacobSkovsgaard]

Out of interest why disc brakes? There 're not many decents in the UK where you need prolonged braking...

If discbrake was allowed in official races in Denmark I would also use it. It is so much safer than rimbrakes on carbonwheels when you ride in big fast groups. I think it would prevent many crashes

 

[JacobSkovsgaard]

Well I have a couple of friends who have bought new bikes recently with disc brakes and are complete converts and say they would never go back. I'm used to discs through mountain biking and know how good they can be, and I decided I would probably end up regretting it if I didn't go for them. I'm not racing or anything and the slight weight penalty doesn't bother me but the idea of better, more reliable braking does appeal - so why not!

I know some people hate the look of them on a road bike but - maybe because of my mountain biking - I actually like how they look. It was for practical reasons I went for them though

The cracks on my friends bikes was

Thanks Jacob that's really interesting - particularly as I have just had an email back from canyon saying: "The damage to your bike looks unlike anything I have ever seen before" - and asking me to send several more photos of the complete bike (which is a right pain as I boxed it back up today!)

Here's a pic of what I'm missing out on enjoying
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Here is a picture of the cracks on my friends bike (not the discmodel)

 

[AAAC 76C]

Thanks Jacob that's really interesting - particularly as I have just had an email back from canyon saying: "The damage to your bike looks unlike anything I have ever seen before" - and asking me to send several more photos of the complete bike (which is a right pain as I boxed it back up today!)

Here's a pic of what I'm missing out on enjoying
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Good job you got the cheap one that wasn't painted otherwise you might not have seen the crack!

 

[AAAC 76C]

Thanks for the 40 mins of torture in keeping with you while you were just cruising AAAC. If I'd been on my own I'd have just taken it easy but you were there to keep me on the boil.

That was no walk in the park for me either, I was shifting over 400 BKWatts a lot of the time towing you until we hit anything at 1% or over where you would drop back so if I saw it coming I tried to dop back behind you and let you lead in.
I couple of time I got a head and tired to back off a bit to let you catch up but a few times you were just 'hanging' so I dabbed the brakes and if I was not careful you would shoot by so then I had to dig hard to get back and resume my work.

 

[AAAC 76C]

I've had mine on the turbo now for almost 3 years without a hint of a problem. Your frame will be of higher quality CF than mine being the SLX but I doubt that means it's weaker in any way, probably slightly lighter and more rigid perhaps. I was never aware of any such limitations by Canyon but I never did read up or look at the warranty. I've always reckoned that it's easier on the bike on the turbo compared to the road because the turbo is much smoother but there will of course be other loads going through the frame as the bike wants to lean but is held securely. Like you say, its probably just their lawyers being ultra cautious but you never know.

If the likes of Kristoff can't beak a Canyon frame us meagre mortals don't stand a chance even if clamped into a turbo..
Other than Bridgy that is who can break frames by looking at them!

 

[bridgy]

The cracks on my friends bikes was

Here is a picture of the cracks on my friends bike (not the discmodel)

The cracks on my friends bikes was

Here is a picture of the cracks on my friends bike (not the discmodel)

That's not quite the same as the issue with mine actually - that looks like what we would call the down tube - mine is on the head tube which is the part of the frame at the front below the handlebars where the fork joins the frame . And on mine the carbon is completely broken /crushed

 

[bridgy]

 

[<Tommy>]

Lovely looking frame Bridgy, hopefully they don't mess you around too much mate... That stem / handlebar are a thing of beauty. And needless to say the colour is right up my street. Seems a little odd they want you to build the frame up again but fingers crossed you get a new frame asap! There's a really big canyon thread over on the 'bikeradar' forum which might be worth posting on to see if anyone has had similar issues to deal with.

Specialized also say not to use their frames on the turbo. I agree that it seems a bit OTT, but if it voids the warranty it's better not to chance it in my opinion.

 

[JacobSkovsgaard]

That's not quite the same as the issue with mine actually - that looks like what we would call the down tube - mine is on the head tube which is the part of the frame at the front below the handlebars where the fork joins the frame . And on mine the carbon is completely broken /crushed

Oh, I see. Very different failures. Yours look Very bad

 

[<Tommy>]

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=13061894

It starts off bemoaning general waiting times but turns into a thread for all things canyon so is pretty useful.

 

[bridgy]

Lovely looking frame Bridgy, hopefully they don't mess you around too much mate... That stem / handlebar are a thing of beauty. And needless to say the colour is right up my street. Seems a little odd they want you to build the frame up again but fingers crossed you get a new frame asap! There's a really big canyon thread over on the 'bikeradar' forum which might be worth posting on to see if anyone has had similar issues to deal with.

Specialized also say not to use their frames on the turbo. I agree that it seems a bit OTT, but if it voids the warranty it's better not to chance it in my opinion.

Yeah I love the aero handlebar with integrated stem! And I kind of agree with both you and Bill regarding using on the turbo - i.e probably going to be fine despite their disclaimer, but I probably wouldn't risk voiding the warranty - so I will keep my aluminium Defy for the trainer. I couldn't actually use it on the bkool anyway as it has 12mm thru-axles rather than normal skewers due to the discs - don't know if you can even get those for the bkool can you?

 

[AAAC 76C]

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Looks like impact damage at the point where the 3 cracks join, or rather emanate from, and the one that is left most running at 45 degrees is on the fold caused by the impact.
I assume there are no signs of damage on the carton.
Saying that I don't have a clue how they lay carbon fibre in frames but I would not have though you would get a pure stress crack running in multiple directions like that.

 

[bridgy]

Looks like impact damage at the point where the 3 cracks join, or rather emanate from, and the one that is left most running at 45 degrees is on the fold caused by the impact.
I assume there are no signs of damage on the carton.
Saying that I don't have a clue how they lay carbon fibre in frames but I would not have though you would get a pure stress crack running in multiple directions like that.

There is a hole in the box - possibly something pierced it in transit and did the damage. I have sent them pics of the box damage too