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Alfie_Gooner

Well-Known Member
Location
Norfolk
Not sure about the gunning it at the start thing, it seems to exploit the extreme on/off loophole, but only once! If one person does it, it kind of forces everyone else to, but it is not a natural riding style as few people would choose to start a road race trying to go as fast as they possibly can. Personally I think it is unfortunate that it works this way, as it artificially spreads out the field right at the start and reduces the prospect of interaction between the riders that you would find in a real ride.

I totally agree @gbrown , could there be a possibility that just for the Start's we could have a "Normal" start with everybody agreeing to start from a standstill rather than being at Max speed from the off?
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
It is clear to see which riders are employing the pulsing technique. It's probably a subconscious decision that creeps into their style of riding in an attempt to catch up or pull away from a competitor. I'll stick to my so called TT method, as that is my outdoor ambition this year.

The results I'll take with a pinch and only compare my own to see if I improve over repeated courses. It's all fun in the end as there are too many variables to even up :smile:
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
It is clear to see which riders are employing the pulsing technique. It's probably a subconscious decision that creeps into their style of riding in an attempt to catch up or pull away from a competitor. I'll stick to my so called TT method, as that is my outdoor ambition this year.

The results I'll take with a pinch and only compare my own to see if I improve over repeated courses. It's all fun in the end as there are too many variables to even up :smile:

:okay: spot on!
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
Right now we've all agreed we're all thoroughly nice blokes and all that!

I was thinking today if working as a team, drafting etc, for prolonged periods of time is ever realistically possible?

I might be wrong here but without being able to communicate during the ride I don't really see that it is. And I'm not really sure I want to wear an earpiece or something similar.

Any thoughts?
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
Drafting is quite difficult over undulating terrain and the slight lag in bkool server. Works well on the velodrome though. Willing to try
 

bridgy

Legendary Member
Location
Cheddar
Right now we've all agreed we're all thoroughly nice blokes and all that!

I was thinking today if working as a team, drafting etc, for prolonged periods of time is ever realistically possible?

I might be wrong here but without being able to communicate during the ride I don't really see that it is. And I'm not really sure I want to wear an earpiece or something similar.

Any thoughts?

We'll never know unless we give it a try!

Now you mention it, is there not a feature on Bkool whereby you can chat verbally with riders close to you on the road? I guess you'd just need to enable it and turn the speakers up on your computer?

Also, one of the few times I've done some prolonged drafting was with Bill and Rick. I found after a while if I just kept the power steady and stopped actually trying to draft, I would keep shooting ahead, and then naturally slowing as I was in front, and then get overtaken, then speed up as I was in a draft and overtake again...etc etc. So the drafts were often short-lived - but regular - and it still helped. Maybe this is the way to do it in a group rather than expecting it to be more disciplined as it would in real life? Just stick together and keep the power steady and take it as it comes!

(It was quite flat when the above was going on by the way - hills would probably make it much harder!)
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
We'll never know unless we give it a try!

Now you mention it, is there not a feature on Bkool whereby you can chat verbally with riders close to you on the road? I guess you'd just need to enable it and turn the speakers up on your computer?

Also, one of the few times I've done some prolonged drafting was with Bill and Rick. I found after a while if I just kept the power steady and stopped actually trying to draft, I would keep shooting ahead, and then naturally slowing as I was in front, and then get overtaken, then speed up as I was in a draft and overtake again...etc etc. So the drafts were often short-lived - but regular - and it still helped. Maybe this is the way to do it in a group rather than expecting it to be more disciplined as it would in real life? Just stick together and keep the power steady and take it as it comes!

(It was quite flat when the above was going on by the way - hills would probably make it much harder!)

Glad it's only speakers/microphone and not video! That is bad enough, I wouldn't want you lot seeing me on the ragged edge. I doubt I could speak either :biggrin:
 

JLaw

Veteran
We'll never know unless we give it a try!

Now you mention it, is there not a feature on Bkool whereby you can chat verbally with riders close to you on the road? I guess you'd just need to enable it and turn the speakers up on your computer?

Also, one of the few times I've done some prolonged drafting was with Bill and Rick. I found after a while if I just kept the power steady and stopped actually trying to draft, I would keep shooting ahead, and then naturally slowing as I was in front, and then get overtaken, then speed up as I was in a draft and overtake again...etc etc. So the drafts were often short-lived - but regular - and it still helped. Maybe this is the way to do it in a group rather than expecting it to be more disciplined as it would in real life? Just stick together and keep the power steady and take it as it comes!

(It was quite flat when the above was going on by the way - hills would probably make it much harder!)
I'd expect hills to certainly make it harder, but if you can draft on the downhills it ought to help considerably, drafting on a climb is virtually pointless. If I were in better shape and having to move through a pack on one of the handicap races, I'd be trying to get into drafting position as I came over every crest.

The nice thing about bkool, you can try to draft on those 10% downhills at 50mph and not worry about a catastrophic wreck.
 

<Tommy>

Illegitimi non carborundum
Location
Camden, London
We'll never know unless we give it a try!

I'm well up for giving it a proper go!

I guess I was just thinking it'll make it harder without communication. I really like the idea of it though. For all the slightly annoying things about the software I think it's a very nice touch.
 

Insomina

Paul in Real Life
Location
Northampton
Cant stop buying new kit / parts. Wife going mad. Any way.

What s the view on shorts v bibs - never had a problem with shorts but need a reason to buy more stuff and never tried bibs. Obviously the aero reason is of no use and I will not be looking in the mirror.

Any comments ?
 

GuySJ

Senior Member
Cant stop buying new kit / parts. Wife going mad. Any way.

What s the view on shorts v bibs - never had a problem with shorts but need a reason to buy more stuff and never tried bibs. Obviously the aero reason is of no use and I will not be looking in the mirror.

Any comments ?
Bibs every time for the road, no gap letting the cold in and no elastic round your waist to cut in. Less of an issue on the turbo though. A good pad is perhaps even more important because you(I) tend to move round more and stand more on the road so put less pressure through your backside. I also ride very differently on the road. I would rarely go for a ride flat out from the start and as hard as I to the end, with the exception of a TT. s on the road you can rest and lift your backside off the saddle every now and then.
 
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