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If there were 4 in the team and one of you is the third placed guy then that strategy is flawed. The guy who comes in third needs to be drafting the guys ahead at all times preferably. Of course it'll take some time before we get things working well. There may even need to signals to tell our team mates to slow down or speed up.
One thing I'm not sure of, is he 3rd placed guy the one who comes in third, so could be any of us? Or is he pre-determined as the guy who came in third in the "qualifying" stage?
Add
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- Powys, Wales
Damn that's clever
Thankyou! I came up with that myself. It hasn't been ok'd by the team yet, but I feel to see how it can meet with any objections.
Add
Guru
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- Powys, Wales
I do offer a Team Handicap Strategy service if you're interested Bill.
<Tommy>
Guru
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- Camden, London
I took it as the guy in the team whoose time was used to set the original handicap.
I have a slight objection to the "balls out" bit... I once cycled next to a guy who was wearing a mankini. It's was only a fleeting moment but it has left a permanent scar...
Add
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- Powys, Wales
Does 'plums out' sit better?I took it as the guy in the team whoose time was used to set the original handicap.
I have a slight objection to the "balls out" bit... I once cycled next to a guy who was wearing a mankini. It's was only a fleeting moment but it has left a permanent scar...
Nope, we can't see a thingFair enough, good plan
(our competitors can't see these secret tactical discussions can they?)
Ah ok, I had read it as the third guy on the road on the day but if it's pre-determined by the previous times you're right, a tactical re-think's required
(Tip: keep an eye on @Add for ideas, he's coming up with some genius tactical plays in recent posts
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gbrown
Geoff on Bkool
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- South Somerset
I think, of necessity, it has to be the the one who comes third, i.e. the third fastest time in the team, just like a normal Team Time trial.
Otherwise, the pre-determined guy may have a mishap or drop out. That's the point of having the team be at least 4 riders, to make it more likely each team will have a third finisher.
Not sure exactly how to determine the Team handicap, it could be the third fastest riders Handicap, the fastest or the slowest, or perhaps the average of the team?
I quite like the average, but suggest that the median time may be a better average than the mean!
Geoff
Add
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- Powys, Wales
I agree that the median time will bear more relevance than the mean. At least you are taking an actual riders ability into consideration rather than a statistically generated one.I think, of necessity, it has to be the the one who comes third, i.e. the third fastest time in the team, just like a normal Team Time trial.
Otherwise, the pre-determined guy may have a mishap or drop out. That's the point of having the team be at least 4 riders, to make it more likely each team will have a third finisher.
Not sure exactly how to determine the Team handicap, it could be the third fastest riders Handicap, the fastest or the slowest, or perhaps the average of the team?
I quite like the average, but suggest that the median time may be a better average than the mean!
Geoff
And yes, stuff nominating your third place rider, that opens a whole new can of worms. Whoever is strongest on the day.
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Add
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- Powys, Wales
Having said that, you Geoff are the master of handicap allocations, and I'm quite sure I speak for everyone when I say we can comfortably leave that to your esteemed judgement.
Add
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- Powys, Wales
That's bollox Bill, and we both know it. I have two speeds, 'flat out', and 'given up', and that is about the limit of my tactical strategies.Only kidding Adam. I'm sure you'll make an excellent consultant in such matters.
It is something my team may wish to pull me to one side and discuss at length.
