Team BKool CycleChat

[Goldwolfie]

Oh BTW @Goldwolfie I did try to catch you, legitemately, but you were too strong

Cheers but I didn't feel strong and it was getting dark on my 3D video by the time I finished.

We had our own little event tonight and enjoyed the company.

 

[bobinski]

Well from the sound of this I am rather pleased to have missed this evening. Might force myself to have a crack at it tomorrow unless I can think of another cunning excuse.

Go for it! Stiff upper lip and all that...

 

[AAAC 76C]

There were a couple of times where the power to speed was a lot lower than it should have been (it shows blue speed). I chugged up the hill, strike that mountain, at a steady 180-210 watts. When I slowed to relieve the legs the SW thought I'd stopped (as I was going so slow) and went into low resistance start mode. When I started pedalling again I would get a lot lower resistance leading to a lower power to get the same speed. The SW does evetually catch up but you can make impressive gains if done incorrectly . But I managed to control myself and not make too much of the advantage

I would see this as a condition transition and for some reason they have decided to give you a period of 'grace' before the correct resistance is applied which therefore allows you to accelerate to a higher speed than you could in reality. Whether they have done this to help you get moving if you stop (which I doubt) or they have created a rule within the code that is initiated because of the change conditions it sees that is triggered at times when it was not intended to be.

This is in fact the once often discussed on/off technique

I'm no code writer myself but I do often build quite complex data workbooks and I use Visual Basic Macros to carry out often repeated tasks to manipulate or update data from external sources.
Within these macros you often need to run recurring actions that run until certain conditions are met. I know all to well from this how easy it is to get the wrong or unexpected results when you have not considered enough of the conditions and or the correct limits on their values.

 

[bobinski]

From my perspective I don't really want to back off. I want to push as hard a tempo as I think I can get away with without blowing up. The times I get aren't as relevant to me as my power numbers as I know I'm well off where I want / hope to be. If on a stage like that I get an unfair advantage id rather delete the stage result as AAAC did, or not attempt another of the league stages. So as to not gain an unfair league position.

I don't see the point in deleting unless you think the benefit you get is continuous rather than occasional. I doubt it was continuous. Honest, enjoy your time and watts per kg!

 

[theboxers]

Cheers but I didn't feel strong and it was getting dark on my 3D video by the time I finished.

We had our own little event tonight and enjoyed the company.

I may use your ghost on saturday

 

[theboxers]

I would see this as a condition transition and for some reason they have decided to give you a period of 'grace' before the correct resistance is applied which therefore allows you to accelerate to a higher speed than you could in reality. Whether they have done this to help you get moving if you stop (which I doubt) or they have created a rule within the code that is initiated because of the change conditions it sees that is triggered at times when it was not intended to be.

This is in fact the once often discussed on/off technique

The light bulb illuminates must resist temptation

 

[bridgy]

I was just thinking we haven't had one of our head to head battles for a while @Add - but looks like this stage wouldn't have been one anyway - great ride mate! Well done everyone actually - some big power figures there.

I might have a go at it tomorrow - off mountain biking again on Saturday so will miss the re-run

 

[AAAC 76C]

I don't see the point in deleting unless you think the benefit you get is continuous rather than occasional. I doubt it was continuous. Honest, enjoy your time and watts per kg!

Bob, before this session I was occupying top slot ahead of Bill.
I felt that my performance today was 'enhanced' by not pairing my cadence sensor and hence my time may have been quicker than I could have otherwise done.
I would therefore sooner do this session again than take advantage where I really don't need to.
Since joining these leagues I have lost focus on what was once my challenge, i.e. get as high in as many of the Rankings Tables as possible and have instead turned my focus to enjoying direct competition in the Leagues.

 

[RamirezAGC]

Well Stage5 went better than I thought, I didn't look at the screen much as the salty stream from my head was hurting my eyes but I did manage to spent a little time with @bobinski, @TurboTommy and @berty bassett (which was nice). I don't think I sat down for more than 30 secs all ride which might explain how I've suddenly leaped to Active 3, ACTIVE 3 where the heck did that come from, I enjoy my amateur status, I don't want to be one of those Active types, too much pressure to perform and be a role model to others. I want to be a lethargic Amateur who finds any excuse after a ride to dive face first into a tub of ice cream or choccy biscuits. It's all in the name of recovery you know. Next I'll be expected to drink wheatgrass smoothies and understand those blue numbers and how to pace myself.... that just isn't me.

I'm sure it wont last, get some normal rides back into the league and I'll be dropping like a stone and possibly gaining one in weight.

Right where's that 200g bar of Fruit and Nut?

 

[bobinski]

Bob, before this session I was occupying top slot ahead of Bill.
I felt that my performance today was 'enhanced' by not pairing my cadence sensor and hence my time may have been quicker than I could have otherwise done.
I would therefore sooner do this session again than take advantage where I really don't need to.
Since joining these leagues I have lost focus on what was once my challenge, i.e. get as high in as many of the Rankings Tables as possible and have instead turned my focus to enjoying direct competition in the Leagues.

Understood AAAC. You described something that suggested an overall or continuos advantage. I wasn't commenting on that so much rather TT suggesting he should delete his ride for sometimes going into the blue. I am not sure they fall into same category. That said its always up to the rider and their sense of appropriateness and fair play amidst a lack of transparency or understanding about how bkools coding and algorithms work.And so fair play to you. I suspect you do have a better understanding and are perhaps best placed to make the judgement.

 

[theboxers]

Understood AAAC. You described something that suggested an overall or continuos advantage. I wasn't commenting on that so much rather TT suggesting he should delete his ride for sometimes going into the blue. I am not sure they fall into same category. That said its always up to the rider and their sense of appropriateness and fair play amidst a lack of transparency or understanding about how bkools coding and algorithms work.And so fair play to you. I suspect you do have a better understanding and are perhaps best placed to make the judgement.

I have a similar view . I saved my stage 4 time, but chose to fess up about taking an advantage . Adjustments were suggested but the only person I am really cheating is me . It is hard not to use the quirks/bugs where they are so easy to use . It just takes will power that we sometimes lack

 

[berty bassett]

In theory you should get blue numbers above a certain gradient depending on your weight.. What psi did you run? If your wheel still spun maybe it wasn't low enough.

i went down to 75psi and lifted frontwheel to nearly 8" off the floor - i admit when i stand up i do go right to the front of the bike and a couple of times i leant back what did the trick . the blue numbers seemed to come and go and i couldn't see a pattern to why - i couldn't feel any thing getting easier when it went blue and i was trying just as hard at all times

 

[<Tommy>]

I didn't adjust my effort to manipulate the system. But because of my weight I get an unrealistic advantage unless I adjust my effort, simply because the turbo cannot create a high enough resistance to counter my weight.
It's a strange one. I know what your saying Bob but at the very least there should be a question mark next to the extreme stages. I don't want to back off but I don't want the people around me in the league to have a disadvantage. Either way it didn't stop me sleeping last night

 

[Add]

Having never seen an uphill blue number, I don't have the same 'Armstrong' debate in my head. I was on the small ring at the front and about halfway through my rear cassette for pretty much the whole thing. I didn't get any slippage at all, and managed to keep my power fairly consistent throughout.
My only concern was 'blowing up' as Tommy put it, and I was right on the brink of doing just that. It was the green hat incentive that kept me going.
I did get out of bed this morning and immediately face plant into the carpet, as my legs were totally uncompliant. I also have Stanna Stairlifts coming to measure up next week.
Ramirez, I think our riding styles are very similar, I can only get sustained power down if I stand up and dig deep. If I try to drop to an easier gear, and spin it out, my legs implode very quickly.

 

[Goldwolfie]

I may use your ghost on saturday

Go for it - it was a steady ride all the way up, and only pushed on a little near the end as you can see when my heart rate crept up a bit.

I won't be around on Saturday as it's the family football outing - Wolves v Sheffield Wednesday or Me v Mrs GW and 3 sons. Whatever the result I never win with this one.

Good luck to all on the re-run.