Team BKool CycleChat

[bobinski]

Hi Bob, look at your graph from Thursday and compare to AAAC, mine and Bridgy.

5 pm warm up 5.10pm start?

i did before i posted lots of the spikes in power reflect powering up gradients and the easing off down and then powering up when the numbers go blue downhill to take them into the white again. aside from that i am certainly more on off than some. darn, just come up into loft and its a sauna

v hot so will take it easier today

 

[gbrown]

Out in the real world I definitely found myself freewheeling down the hills and leaving the power for the flats and uphill.

I know I've posted it before, but I love the saying so I'm going to post it again...

"Powering up the hills and freewheeling down the descents certainly works better than powering down the hills and freewheeling up them!"

 

[bobinski]

Andy!
GREAT RIDE.
Sorry i couldnt stay with you-would have made for an interesting finish

 

[gbrown]

@berty bassett Well Done, I see you have finished Rundlestone and I've approved your ride.

Geoff

 

[CXRAndy]

All I can say is. Bloody fantastic!

It didn't go quite to plan. I had hoped to go off fast and hang onto who ever was coming up behind. I felt so good at 10 miles I thought just keep at it and see how long before I blow up. Aaac was just too powerful to hold onto and Bill caught me off guard. By mile 20 my legs were beginning to burn and with 2 miles to go I was wishing for the end. A new pb by a country mile.

Secret weapon .assos cream. Had a sore arse last time

 

[CXRAndy]

I am here after a shower still pouring sweat all over the floor. I can't cool down yet. Off to stand outside

 

[gbrown]

Looking at stage 1 of May's Chain Gang, which was fairly flat, the speed graphs show the different techniques...

 

[AAAC 76C]

I am here after a shower still pouring sweat all over the floor. I can't cool down yet. Off to stand outside

After a shower!
I've just finnished cooling down and stretching, no wonder your core is still hot.

Nice one everyone,
I was trying a new saddle today, mistake 1,
Shot off after CXR Andy still thinking of the days that I let Bill and Lars get away and I started dying between 1/4 and 1/2 way mistake 2.
I gave up 4 times today:
Once when Bill caught me (that was me giving up not Bill passing me if you know what I mean) but I said to myself if I can stay with Bill then why not,
Twice at 1/2 way when our average speed was below yesterdays and I felt shyte,
Thrice some time later when Bill was a bit behind me but I didn't see us besting Thursdays ride
And a fourth the final time at about 2 km out from the finish but then I realised we were on a PB ride so I needed to guard my GC time.

I guess that ride is just one of those that does not look tough but for some reason it is harder than it should be.

No I need to re-run the bonus sprint again and not sit 3m from the line for a minute too embarrassed by the amount I was beating Bridgy only to be smashed by Bill.

Well done again today Bill, you rode as I should have done based on the lessons of Thursday.
At the beginning I was pulling mad Watts trying to catch Andy and in the end it just worked against me, again!

 

[CXRAndy]

Dinner was called after race. No time to wind down

 

[berty bassett]

Looking at stage 1 of May's Chain Gang, which was fairly flat, the speed graphs show the different techniques...

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not knowing quite what they mean - is the bottom one pulse riding/saw toothing ? and was there a big difference in speed between them ? just curious !

 

[AAAC 76C]

Dinner was called after race. No time to wind down

She who must be obeyed

 

[BILL S]

After a shower!
I've just finnished cooling down and stretching, no wonder your core is still hot.

Nice one everyone,
I was trying a new saddle today, mistake 1, shot off after CXR Andy still thinking of the days that I let Bill and Lars get away and I started dying between 1/4 and 1/2 way mistake 2.
I gave up 4 times today:
Once when Bill caught me (that was me giving up not Bill passing me if you know what I mean) but I said to myself if I can stay with Bill then why not,
Twice at 1/2 way when our average speed was below yesterdays and I felkt shyte,
Thrice some time later when Bil was a bit behind me but I didn't see us besting Thursdays ride
And a forth the final time at about 2 km out from the finish but then I realised we were on a PB ride so I needed to guard my GC time.

I guess that ride is just one of those that does not look tough but fro some reason it is harder than it should be.

No I nweed to re-run the bonus sprint again and not sit 3m from the line for a minute too embarrassed by the amount I was beating Bridgy only to be smashed by Bill.

Well done again today Bill, you rode as I should have done based on the lessons of Thursday.
At the begining I was pulling mad Watts trying to catch Andy and in the end it just worked against me, again!

I wasn't expecting you to go off so quick this time AAAC. I knew you'd had a tough time at the end of Thursdays ride so I was surprised how everything seemed to be going almost exactly the same as Thursday. Except for the lack of a few riders, everyone out there was doing close to Thursdays ride but Bob was going a bit slower and I don't think he got so far ahead of me this time. Andy was going much quicker and was really hard to catch. Well done Andy, I think you were the man of the ride this time with your time improvement. I noticed that you were staying a fairly consistent time behind us at the front so we weren't really dropping you.
As you say AAAC this ride is much tougher than it looks, perhaps because its long but also it's not exactly flat. As per the first one I was suffering a lot at the start but that probably helped me to have energy left over for the end. There were times I could hardly stay in touch with you three quarters of the way through, but when I saw the end nearing I was able to put down some decent power on the hills and flats while freewheeling downhill. Funny how it still says you're making some watts when in reality you're making absolutely none freewheeling. Stops the graph looking even worse though so probably a good thing.
Seeing as there's power graph police around these days

 

[AAAC 76C]

BTW slingshotting does work a bit in the real world because Bridgy and Adam did it near the bottom of a steep hill we were all going down last weekend

Bill I do it myself in BKool but there is no real comparison with reality, accepted if you take more energy into a climb you will naturally take longer to slow down to your power related speed (that's just converting kinetic energy into potential energy) but in Bkool you actually end up going faster on the climb than the speed you entered because the lag in the resistance a bit like out sling shot starts.

Today for instance I was zooming along at speeds well in excess of 30 mph for the first 600m and it wasn't even difficult, it's almost free speed.

PS: Better not let Geoff see the difference between our graphs, one of us might end up in court! (Kangaroo Court)

 

[AAAC 76C]

Funny how it still says you're making some watts when in reality you're making absolutely none freewheeling

If we had freewheeling motors like some of the Tacx Turbos they could get rid of the downhill 'blues'. The motor would drive your wheel at your weight related freewheel speed and that speed would be the basis for calculating any additional watts that you add.

The other thing that frustrates me, and this is not a dig just one of those things that niggle you when you knackered, is how the Pro does not calculate cadence well and your avatars aren't always showing how your pedaling so sometimes folk descend or climb away from you looking like they are not pedaling.
Although I have a Pro PCB I still use my cadence sensor and this, for the most part but not faultless, does show what you are doing.

 

[BILL S]

Bill I do it myself in BKool but there is no real comparison with reality, accepted if you take more energy into a climb you will naturally take longer to slow down to your power related speed (that's just converting kinetic energy into potential energy) but in Bkool you actually end up going faster on the climb than the speed you entered because the lag in the resistance a bit like out sling shot starts.

Today for instance I was zooming along at speeds well in excess of 30 mph for the first 600 and it wasn't even difficult, it's almost free speed.

PS: Better not let Geoff see the difference between our graphs, one of us might end up in court! (Kangaroo Court)

I do of course agree with that AAAC. There is free speed there for the taking as we all know and it's all a case of where the line is between what's acceptable and whats not. Apart from the slingshotting I do try to ride in a similar way to what I would out on the road, although my power graph is nowhere near as steady as some. BTW I think I would take responsibility for the third graph down @gbrown would that be right and AAAC probably the top one?