Team BKool CycleChat

[rob01792]

Sorry all just overheated, even with 3 fans going( Needs bigger fans).

Rob not sure what was happening, but for me, you were jumping in and out, forward and backward, like a punk at a concert . It made me feel quite .

I was ok tonight had a new fan delivered of cpc to keep me cool

to me it looked like u where jumping around so what u where seeing on me I was seeing on u it does make u feel a bit dizzy

 

[rob01792]

good session again cheers gw for the drafting

 

[bobinski]

I thought he was going to catch us but he probably put in such an effort he might have struggled to stay with the group once caught. That's the problem with slow starts. Even if you catch the front guys, if you didn't draft your way up to them with someone else you'll be at a big disadvantage because of the additional effort you put in.

Perhaps we need a neutralised zone like we have in the handicap rides it would assist those of us a little slower to start or in need of a longer warm up. And allow us to keep an eye on you fast guys

 

[AAAC 76C]

Yeah, great race and a great (really long) sprint by Bill .
I didn't have the legs for anything but trying to keep up with you guys.
Also, great race by AAAC taking 2nd place in in the Summer cup, beating Pep's watts (but not watt/kg).

Thanks LB, it was tough and I almost caved halfway.
I started the Cup at 80 kg set so I don't want to change it mid event so that has sliced some of my watts/kg off.
That said he still crushed me by 5 1/2 minutes.
I've studied his sats and he is doing quite a bit of on/off and getting some good pro slings in and his HR barely goes above 155.
I was knocking 160 plus for the whole thing which is me on my HR limit for sustained effort so I have to give it to him Pro Slings or not because you have to have something extra in reserve to make the effort for the Sling and I was on the limit the whole time so I couldn't (but you certainly get more than you put in if you can).
For me the effort was over at the top of the last climb and I literally let the descent take me home.
Since the F/W upgrade I have been trying to avoid slinging as I know most others can't but that still doesn't make up fro your dead stops.

PS: I am hoping that will put me 3rd in the league

 

[Goldwolfie]

good session again cheers gw for the drafting

Yep a good bit of Team White drafting for 20 miles, you were just to strong for me at the end and I couldn't get back to you when you made your break. My BPM was a bit higher than I would have liked towards the end, but it was probably down to the excessive heat.

Thanks TB for your support, perhaps we can put a bulk order together for some extra fans.

Sounds like there were 2 good races tonight - one at the front and the other quite a bit behind. How do you guys manage that much effort - hats off to all who attempted that one.

 

[BILL S]

Perhaps we need a neutralised zone like we have in the handicap rides it would assist those of us a little slower to start or in need of a longer warm up. And allow us to keep an eye on you fast guys

Bob, I seem to remember at the start of the last stage you shot into the lead and I couldn't catch up. I think you're quite capable of keeping up with the front group, and was quite confused when you didn't appear there with us. When I saw the line-up I knew a quick start was needed.

 

[bobinski]

Bob, I seem to remember at the start of the last stage you shot into the lead and I couldn't catch up. I think you're quite capable of keeping up with the front group, and was quite confused when you didn't appear there with us. When I saw the line-up I knew a quick start was needed.

Bill, on that ride I think I was behind for a short while and then did take the lead rather than shooting off straight away. You probably weren't on top form that day. I was surprised you didn't stay with me. Yesterday I genuinely was confused by the profile probably because I wasn't paying sufficient attention I wish they would colour code gradients so I don't have to keep reaching in the loft for spectacles so I thought, take it easy and then ramp up the power. I must pay more attention. My watts up to 25 or so mins in suggest I could have stayed with you all if I had got to you all early but I am not so sure I would have lasted. My power always tails off around 25 min from 350 to 320 whereas that didn't happen with you 3 or the Dr. But I might retry with the 4 of you as ghosts this weekend and see what happens.

 

[bridgy]

One of the problems with having a "neutralized zone" at the start is how to police this fairly for those doing the stage separately from the live race

 

[bridgy]

I haven't had any of those really extreme speed crashes when going into an incline in the last few Bkool rides - anyone else? I am tempted to think they might have fixed it but will have to have a go at one of the rides that was really bad for it to be sure.

For example, we went into an 8% climb at the end of last night's ride at quite high speed and although the speed dropped rapidly (as it should) it didn't go down to virtually nothing as it was doing. Looking at the ride data at that point, LBHIFI's speed went from 75.3kph to 39.1kph, Bill's from 67.5kph to 38.7kph, and mine went from 68kph to 20.5kph (despite apparently peaking at 1195 watts!). Not sure why my speed went a fair bit lower than the others (weight?) but either way, the point is it wasn't a ridiculous instant drop to 3mph that we've had recently.

 

[bobinski]

One of the problems with having a "neutralized zone" at the start is how to police this fairly for those doing the stage separately from the live race

Bridgy, I can see that now. I did think one could simply follow behind whatever ghost they had set up but that presumes the race has been run. Anyway, we are where we are

Just been looking at AAAC's rides in the summer cup

Pepe's figures look questionable or whatever is the right word: lower wattage and effort.

 

[BILL S]

Bill, on that ride I think I was behind for a short while and then did take the lead rather than shooting off straight away. You probably weren't on top form that day. I was surprised you didn't stay with me. Yesterday I genuinely was confused by the profile probably because I wasn't paying sufficient attention I wish they would colour code gradients so I don't have to keep reaching in the loft for spectacles so I thought, take it easy and then ramp up the power. I must pay more attention. My watts up to 25 or so mins in suggest I could have stayed with you all if I had got to you all early but I am not so sure I would have lasted. My power always tails off around 25 min from 350 to 320 whereas that didn't happen with you 3 or the Dr. But I might retry with the 4 of you as ghosts this weekend and see what happens.

Good points Bob. It could be that you're a little slower at the start due to method, because as you said, you did pass me on the previous one as I got out front first. Yes, could have been off form, but I think you've gained fitness and strength if your recent w/kg are anything to go by. I think your w/kg were about the same as me last night, but of course you missed out on the crucial drafting so no way you could've been there at the end.
And I have to admit the stage profile was very misleading before the race got going and looked like serious ups/downs. I had tested it before though so had the advantage of knowing that it was more or less flat.
Have you done the first stage Bob? You'd be well up in the results if you did that at the weekend. I think my ride may be a bit lacklustre though so I might not be the ideal ghost to race against.

 

[BILL S]

I haven't had any of those really extreme speed crashes when going into an incline in the last few Bkool rides - anyone else? I am tempted to think they might have fixed it but will have to have a go at one of the rides that was really bad for it to be sure.

For example, we went into an 8% climb at the end of last night's ride at quite high speed and although the speed dropped rapidly (as it should) it didn't go down to virtually nothing as it was doing. Looking at the ride data at that point, LBHIFI's speed went from 75.3kph to 39.1kph, Bill's from 67.5kph to 38.7kph, and mine went from 68kph to 20.5kph (despite apparently peaking at 1195 watts!). Not sure why my speed went a fair bit lower than the others (weight?) but either way, the point is it wasn't a ridiculous instant drop to 3mph that we've had recently.

I think you may be right there Paul. Last nights ride seemed exceptionally smooth but didn't have much in the way of extreme gradient changes except the one you mentioned. I'll probably have a go at the stage 3 summer cup tonight so hopefully get to put that to the test. If they've fixed it then great, although I'll feel that I have to do the first stages again to improve my times, and if that happens I'll definitely have to put (Team Cyclechat) after my name like AAAC has

 

[BILL S]

Thanks LB, it was tough and I almost caved halfway.
I started the Cup at 80 kg set so I don't want to change it mid event so that has sliced some of my watts/kg off.
That said he still crushed me by 5 1/2 minutes.
I've studied his sats and he is doing quite a bit of on/off and getting some good pro slings in and his HR barely goes above 155.
I was knocking 160 plus for the whole thing which is me on my HR limit for sustained effort so I have to give it to him Pro Slings or not because you have to have something extra in reserve to make the effort for the Sling and I was on the limit the whole time so I couldn't (but you certainly get more than you put in if you can).
For me the effort was over at the top of the last climb and I literally let the descent take me home.
Since the F/W upgrade I have been trying to avoid slinging as I know most others can't but that still doesn't make up fro your dead stops.

PS: I am hoping that will put me 3rd in the league

Not sure whats going on there with PT and the guy in second place. PT seems to have no ill effects from the updates and is far to quick for his slightly higher w/kg. looks like he's still getting the massive slingshots we used to get and his ride chart looks like how mine used to with the massive peaks rather than more steady graph. I guess he must have an older pro that doesn't take the updates. Or bkool have given him a "special" one.
Second place guy also seems very quick for 330 or so watts and his power graph is much more steady which makes his speed even more confusing.

 

[bridgy]

I think you may be right there Paul. Last nights ride seemed exceptionally smooth but didn't have much in the way of extreme gradient changes except the one you mentioned. I'll probably have a go at the stage 3 summer cup tonight so hopefully get to put that to the test. If they've fixed it then great, although I'll feel that I have to do the first stages again to improve my times, and if that happens I'll definitely have to put (Team Cyclechat) after my name like AAAC has

Yeah, let us know how you get on Bill - fingers crossed it's fixed.....

 

[BILL S]

Yeah, let us know how you get on Bill - fingers crossed it's fixed.....

No. Not fixed yet unfortunately. On the less extreme transitions it was dropping me a sudden 10 mph from say 18 to 8 mph but on a more extreme one it was a dead stop and even seemed to take a few seconds to start moving again. Pedals spinning going nowhere.
Poor show @Bkool