Team BKool CycleChat

[CXRAndy]

@BILL S bad race craft, and now I have had my surprise win over you established front runners, I suspect I wont be given a chance to break free I think I'll need to temper my starts and see what develops. I have got to admit the arrival of DP has re ignited the racing

@LBHIFI bloody sneaky run on Saturday, dammed good time

 

[bobinski]

A start like that in my experience can be fatal. Even just trying to catch someone at your level from 10 seconds back can be fatal if your body isn't quite up to it. I'll usually have a bit of a go at the front guys at the start but back down pretty quick when I know it's going to have a negative impact later on. I expected you to be with me or ahead for the duration, and with AAAC 20 seconds or so back it was only a matter of time before he joined the picture. Also expected was for Bob to draw alongside as he often does, although it's never certain whether he want's to draft or not.

Yeah, you will see I started off steady and then panicked a little at the speed you and Andy went off and went into my red to try and catch. Then we all seemed to get stuck on the 11% I think even when it went down I would have drafted gov, honest, if I hadn't died a few times trying to get to you

 

[bobinski]

Bob regarding resistance change from incline to decline. I have always had to carry on powering over the crest and wait for the trainer to ease in resistance. Sometimes I have to go through 2 different percentages before resistance changes. I have become accustomed to it and just keep going until things get easier. I am beginning to see some improvements from the drills on trainer road.

You certainly are Andy. There is no doubt the racing is good for us, stretching us beyond what we think are our limits but there is nothing to beat structured training, as you have shown.

Re the slopes I agree about the need to power over. It's the same in Zwift. It's what we try to do in real life. But sometimes the incline carries over and down a long way into the slope, occasionally almost the whole length. And it looks like it affects different turbos at different times.

I take it you didn't get the sudden decelerations going downhill?

Can you do me a favour? Can you run it again using your ghost but riding the kickr?

 

[CXRAndy]

Can you do me a favour? Can you run it again using your ghost but riding the kickr? No, that was bloody hard

Re my speed over crests, i've looked, and my low point in speed corresponds with the crest and then it picks up again. Your profile is a little more difficult to analyse, your power is down at 100W then upto 500W, what are you doing man?

 

[bobinski]

Can you do me a favour? Can you run it again using your ghost but riding the kickr? No, that was bloody hard

Re my speed over crests, i've looked, and my low point in speed corresponds with the crest and then it picks up again. Your profile is a little more difficult to analyse, your power is down at 100W then upto 500W, what are you doing man?

Dying...hitting a resistance where i cannot turn the pedals.

Thats a shamei was hoping to see if using a different turbo made a difference to how the gradients and transitions were interpreted

 

[CXRAndy]

Dying...hitting a resistance where i cannot turn the pedals.

Thats a shamei was hoping to see if using a different turbo made a difference to how the gradients and transitions were interpreted

Ill do a portion of it upto the 11 % on the kickr this week. Off practising my wand techniques at Harry's house

 

[bobinski]

Ill do a portion of it upto the 11 % on the kickr this week. Off practising my wand techniques at Harry's house

Enjoy!

 

[LBHIFI]

Wow, truly bonkers watts and w/pk from the front runners Special kudos to AAAC who seems to be able to rebuff age and stents and float about helping others and delivering watts as and when he feels like it No need to apologise for not waiting-Bkool problems, I think.

Well done bill for getting so close to DP, Bridgy and AAAC

Andy! You are a fecker for not letting me draft with you I have not checked what power you were putting down but I was at 450-570 to keep you within 10sec for ages and you kept me at bay. At about the 10m stage I realised you were on a mission and I was expending so much energy I would not be able to stay with you so I gave up and sauntered for ages before deciding to limit my losses. Well done mate, great ride, huge improvement

I am getting a bit pi$$ed with Bkool. I assume rest of you are having the same problems but are just stronger than me and ride through them. I had a litany tonight; collapse in speed and dead stop on 2 hills, inclines not reflecting resistance, experiencing huge resistance on downhills-I struggled to turn 34/11 going downhill. Bonkers. And then on another downhill I sprinted to 72kmh, eased and speed collapsed to 27kph in 3secs! On a downhill! If it is the case that Bkool/Zwift have flattered me at times and I need to be brought down to earth about my power and performance then fine but these anomalies don't fill me with any confidence. Anyway, waiting for my dial in appointment with Bkool and will see how that goes.
I really hope this doesn't sound like sour grapes. at the end of the day all I want to know is what power I can put out, for how long and where I need to make improvement.

Slopes off to drink bottle of Chardonnay....

I think I have similar problems. On downhills the speed collapse immediately to what seems like the "base" speed for the given % if I don't keep powering hard. Like they ditched the inertia from the equation. Also when I get to the top of a hill, it seems like forever before the brake releases its grip.

 

[kipster]

There is no doubt the racing is good for us, stretching us beyond what we think are our limits but there is nothing to beat structured training.

One guy in the club spent last winter racing in Zwift, after three road races of the new season he was burnt out. Ok he was doing two maybe three zwift races a week, but he was trying too hard and not letting his body recover enough.

 

[bobinski]

LB, I feel our pain!

I have just had an email to say my Neo arrives tomorrow. I need to get the cassette ofF my turbo wheel and onto the neo and then things will get interesting. Though probably not in a positive way in bsim

 

[CXRAndy]

Congratulations Bob with the Neo. I understand it has a motor built in for downhills only

I will be interested in the figures and profile of your rides with it. I suspect it will behave very much like my Kickr.

 

[Daddy Pig]

LB, I feel our pain!

I have just had an email to say my Neo arrives tomorrow. I need to get the cassette ofF my turbo wheel and onto the neo and then things will get interesting. Though probably not in a positive way in bsim

I want to see you pumping out 2000w spint finishes from now on...

 

[LBHIFI]

I'm a bit disappointed with the so called "play" in my BePro power pedals (Look Keo), and I'm getting really worried about knee stress. Is it just me, or are there Keos out there with true play?
For now, I think I will refit my Speedplays and only use the power pedals with my TT bike and lock them (get rid of the "play") in the best position.

 

[bridgy]

I think I have similar problems. On downhills the speed collapse immediately to what seems like the "base" speed for the given % if I don't keep powering hard. Like they ditched the inertia from the equation. Also when I get to the top of a hill, it seems like forever before the brake releases its grip.

Yep, this describes exactly what I get too - kind of used to it now!

 

[Whorty]

Yep, this describes exactly what I get too - kind of used to it now!

I assume we all get similar. I try not to over analyse what's going on and just keep pushing on.