The Retirement Thread

[Binky]

You'd be dead in 30 minutes if you ever had to walk a beat with your level of knowledge and that level of arrogance about your own insight.

If you bother to read my post properly you'll see I'm not putting a spin on it.

I think the agent was wrong to shoot (with the caveat that I don't have all the information) and actually said so. Wrong. Wrong. WRONG. How is that putting a spin in it?

I actually agree with you. The difference is my opinion is based on a degree of knowledge and experience, yours is based on emotion and kneejerk, while at the same time accusing the agent of kneejerk. You're displaying the same intellectual/behavioural response you're accusing the agent of.

Oh dear resorting to personal insults now. Still you have a history of it. The fact you were once a copper seems to make you think you know best. Sorry but we are all entitled to an opinion and seeing as videos are clear no specialist training is required to say what we think.

Anyway, I thought your previous post was your last word on this. Apparently it wasn't.

 

[Drago]

That's the finest bit of whataboutery I've seen in some time.

No-one needs to be "tactically trained" to understand what went on yesterday. Should the driver stopped, absolutely but to be shot and killed was unforgiveable. The ICE agent could have stepped aside(and he did anyway) so hardly a hit and run or attempt to kill no matter what spin you or the Trump lot try and put on it.

You may have missed the bit where I agree with you, albeit with a different line of reasoning. I'm not sure how applying knowledge and experience is spin.

Sorry, interrupted by the front door...

It wasn't an insult, and was never intended as such and I of course apologise if it seemed that way, so ive deleted it.

It was merely a statement of truth - you are claiming much knowledge, when in reality you have little - that approach would get an officer as assuredly killed as easily as it would a member of the public.

 

[Exlaser2]

Almost as appalling as those who have no tactical training (I do), who've have never been hit by a car driven by a driver who ignored multiple lawful commands to stop (I have, and remember, over here thats a mere driving offence, but over there that's assault with a deadly weapon), who couldn't even set the safety on a .40S&W semi auto (I can) feeling qualified such high opinions on the subject.

And, no, I don't think it was ( probably) justified at all, but at least I tick all those boxes so am qualified to make a judgement, with the caveat that I'm not in possession of all the evidence.

Everyone else is just giving in to hysteria, whipped into a frenzy in one direction or another by a media with its own vested interests. They're just sheeple being sucked into an opinion by a gory spectacle. That is sickening. They're not applying knowledge, experience, legislation and rationale to the incident like the investigators will now have to.

That's the last I'll say on that.

Your attitude totally explains why the police in this country were stopped from investigating their own ‘ incidents/ mistakes ‘ and independent oversight had to be put in place.

 

[Drago]

One would hope that any such investigators would have proper training and experience to bring to bear.

I do feel that you're missing the bit about me actually agreeing with you.

 

[Binky]

You may have missed the bit where I agree with you, albeit with a different line of reasoning. I'm not sure how applying knowledge and experience is spin.

Sorry, interrupted by the front door...

It wasn't an insult, and was never intended as such and I of course apologise if it seemed that way, so ive deleted it.

It was merely a statement of truth - you are claiming much knowledge, when in reality you have little - that approach would get an officer as assuredly killed as easily as it would a member of the public.

Again though you are making bold statements without knowing the full facts, something you accuse others of.
How do you know what knowledge or experience I or anyone else has?

Anyway, enough. I'm sure a mod or two be along soon to tell us all off.

 

[Drago]

That's why I was very careful with my caveat about not having all the evidence.

I can apply what I know about the conflict resolution model, impact factors, justified officer response (or quite possibly not in this instance) and from having worked in the US and carried a firearm for work my very basic knowledge of their criminal law and how an officer there is legally entitled to respond, and I've come to my own conclusions.

However, that is based on incomplete knowledge and without full access to evidence, and I have been very clear about that all along.

Heres a suggestion. Let's agree to agree, seeing as our opinion is ultimately the same (albeit mine is qualified with that caveat.)

Yes, I expect a quite justified caning from the mods, and apologise to them in advance for my transgression into a forbidden topic.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

You are a tuna fish, AICMFP!

The tuna is fine - it is the rotting milk that you have with it that is disgusting!!!
(have I mentioned that I hate cheese????)

 

[Drago]

The tuna is fine - it is the rotting milk that you have with it that is disgusting!!!
(have I mentioned that I hate cheese????)

Oh, you not a cheese man? I'm not very adventurous, cheddar only, but I do love a bit of curdled cow excretion.

 

[PaulSB]

Come on everyone. I've always believed we're all mature enough to make remarks without argument. Let's try to keep it this way.

Yes, I know I was first to comment and with hindsight should not have done.

 

[Dave7]

Please !!!!
This is a wonderful section, started with good intentions by our dear @Dirk . Let us not change it to anything else.

It bad enough, the way that Welsh woman treats me.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Just had a survey request from YouGov so I did it

some of the question had clearly been made by "a young person"

questions like "have you ever bought xxx from a physical store"

err well yes
how do you think someone of my age bought anything 30-40 years ago?????

 

[Drago]

We've shaken hands line gentlemen. I didn't mean to sound like I was insulting old Binkers and have apologised for any offence.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Please !!!!
This is a wonderful section, started with good intentions by our dear @Dirk . Let us not change it to anything else.

It bad enough, the way that Welsh woman treats me.

but not as bad as you would LIKE that Welsh woman to treat you!!!
(and someone Scottish maybe???)

 

[welsh dragon]

Come on everyone. I've always believed we're all mature enough to make remarks without argument. Let's try to keep it this way.

Yes, I know I was first to comment and with hindsight should not have done.

How dare you say we are all mature. I take offense that remark.

 

[welsh dragon]

Please !!!!
This is a wonderful section, started with good intentions by our dear @Dirk . Let us not change it to anything else.

It bad enough, the way that Welsh woman treats me.

You always said you liked it. Sheesh