The Sun Newspaper

[freecyclist]

as far asi am aware these feelings are only in merseyside, or most noticeable in merseyside anyway

afaiaa these feelings are principally in the inteligent and football supporters of all clubs and liverpudlians in general.

 

[david k]

We kept reading the Telegraph when it was in the hands of Conrad Black.

We kept reading the Times when it was (and remains) in the hands of RM and his honest clan.

Nothing we now read about Black or Murdoch surprises anybody, because it seems to fit what we expect.

Plenty of people (not I) read the Express when it was in the hands of the enthusiastic pornographer Desmond.

Plenty of us still watch Channel 5, which he now owns...

The Sun is an easy target. Sun readers will always be ridiculed.

I have no feelings one way or another about how it covered Hillsborough. I think one can keep a slight simmering for too long.

The Merseysiders who now boycott the Sun cannot have stopped buying it if they were not at some stage buying it....

The Times still sells on the Mersey, despite being owned by the same family.

not just buyers but many places dont stock it

 

[Inertia]

The Times still sells on the Mersey, despite being owned by the same family.

This is because the issue wasn't with the owners it was with the paper, its a very successful boycott in Liverpool largely because it IS so focused on one paper. As soon as you dilute it it becomes harder to maintain.

 

[RedRider]

I think one can keep a slight simmering for too long.

It was more than a slight. The repellent lies it told (under the unprecedented headline 'The Truth') about recently bereaved friends and family was a key part of a deliberate smear campaign against fans to save the backsides of a few inadequate policemen. In my opinion it's one of the reasons the family of those who died are yet to receive the common decency of an adequate inquest.

The recent phonehacking scandal has shone a light on the murky relationships between police, government and news media. Those with knowledge of Hillsborough already had a visceral understanding of the damage they cause.

 

[Hip Priest]

I have no feelings one way or another about how it covered Hillsborough. I think one can keep a slight simmering too long.

I find it odd that anyone would have no feelings either way. We're talking about a newspaper reporting lies about dead citizens (some of whom were children) and their families. Surely anyone would feel that was a bad thing?

 

[Bicycle]

I find it odd that anyone would have no feelings either way. We're talking about a newspaper reporting lies about dead citizens (some of whom were children) and their families. Surely anyone would feel that was a bad thing?

Odd it is then.

Many of the print media were pretty rough on the fans in the immediate aftermath of the game.

The Sun (as ever) was twice as crass, twice as vitriolic and twice and offensive, but rightly or wrongly there was a thread running through much of Fleet Street along the lines of 'the fans must bear some of the responsibility'.

The Sun is not considered much of an organ of record. It's all about sales and has been for many years. That it was so widely bought on Merseyside before Hillsborough is a sign of how well it knew its readership.

I expect the Sun to be wrong. In spades.

A memorable example on the Reagan Gorbachev summit in Rekyavik: "Ronnie, Don't trust this Commie smoothie". Oops!

I've been going to soccer games for decades: 1st Division (now Prem) and Leagues 1 & 2 (3rd/4th Div). I know how it was before Taylor and how it is now.

The Sun overstated things, was crass and unfeeling, was listening to the wrong people and paid the price (on Merseyside). I recall some pretty beastly press coverage after Heysel too, where there had been aggression from Liverpool fans but that wasn't the primary cause of the deaths. In those days (and to a lesser exten today) it was expected that poor behaviour might be a cause of deaths at a game. In the case of Hillsborough, Taylor judged that drunkenness among fans was only a minor or secondary contributory factor. The Sun was wrong. No charges for robbing the victims were ever brought. The Sun was wrong. The thing about peeing on coppers was just silly and offensive. The Sun was wrong.

My father lost his brother in Hong Kong in 1941, but never spoke a word against Japan and bought their goods. He lost many friends in Normandy but always drove a German car and numbered many former Vermacht officers among his friends. He had no room in his heart for enmity. I found that very moving and still do.

I do think one can bear a grudge for too long. But if dropping the grudge means Liverpool buying the Sun again, maybe a lasting grudge is the right response. There are better papers.

Many football fans who weren't at Hillsborough don't really have any feelings either way. I've never bought the Sun because I've never thought it a worthy buy.

I'm sorry if my lack of feeling on this matter seems eccentric or inappropriate. I am by no means the only one.

 

[freecyclist]

<br />Odd it is then.<br /><br />Many of the print media were pretty rough on the fans in the immediate aftermath of the game.<br /><br />The Sun (as ever) was twice as crass, twice as vitriolic and twice and offensive, but rightly or wrongly there was a thread running through much of Fleet Street along the lines of <i>'the fans must bear some of the responsibility'</i>.  <br /><br />The Sun is not considered much of an organ of record.  It's all about sales and has been for many years.  That it was so widely bought on Merseyside before Hillsborough is a sign of how well it knew its readership.<br /><br />I expect the Sun to be wrong. In spades. <br /><br />A memorable example on the Reagan Gorbachev summit in Rekyavik:  &quot;Ronnie, Don't trust this Commie smoothie&quot;.    Oops!<br /><br />I've been going to soccer games for decades:  1st Division (now Prem) and Leagues 1 &amp; 2 (3rd/4th Div).   I know how it was before Taylor and how it is now.  <br /><br />The Sun overstated things, was crass and unfeeling, was listening to the wrong people and paid the price (on Merseyside).  I recall some pretty beastly press coverage after Heysel too, where there had been aggression from Liverpool fans but that wasn't the primary cause of the deaths.  In those days (and to a lesser exten today) it was expected that poor behaviour might be a cause of deaths at a game.  In the case of Hillsborough, Taylor judged that drunkenness among fans was only a minor or secondary contributory factor.  The Sun was wrong.  No charges for robbing the victims were ever brought.  The Sun was wrong.  The thing about peeing on coppers was just silly and offensive.  The Sun was wrong.<br /><br />My father lost his brother in Hong Kong in 1941, but never spoke a word against Japan and bought their goods.  He lost many friends in Normandy but always drove a German car and numbered many former Vermacht officers among his friends.  He had no room in his heart for enmity.  I found that very moving and still do.<br /><br />I do think one can bear a grudge for too long.  But if dropping the grudge means Liverpool buying the Sun again, maybe a lasting grudge is the right response.  There are better papers.<br /><br />Many football fans who weren't at Hillsborough don't really have any feelings either way.  I've never bought the Sun because I've never thought it a worthy buy.  <br /><br />I'm sorry if my lack of feeling on this matter seems eccentric or inappropriate.  I am by no means the only one.<br />

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Please stop posting this sxxte

 

[martint235]

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Please stop posting this sxxte

What on earth is your problem?

While I don't agree with everything bicycle said, it doesn't really warrant your comment

 

[Rhythm Thief]

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Please stop posting this sxxte

Why?

 

[freecyclist]

What on earth is your problem?

While I don't agree with everything bicycle said, it doesn't really warrant your comment

My problem is that me and many other people still find the memory of Hillsborough very upsetting and that numbskulls like you and bicycle posting your trite rubbish without any thought to the upset and offence it causes to others makes me quite angry.
But you just carry on and post some more sxxte.

 

[billy1561]

Maybe this can be put to bed as it is to be debated in the commons soon. The families will get the truth and justice they have waited over 20 years for.

 

[martint235]

My problem is that me and many other people still find the memory of Hillsborough very upsetting and that numbskulls like you and bicycle posting your trite rubbish without any thought to the upset and offence it causes to others makes me quite angry.
But you just carry on and post some more sxxte.

I find the memory of Hillsborough very upsetting too. Having actually been present and lost people that I knew well, I don't feel you're doing justice to the memory of the people who died and the people who were injured and scarred, emotionally and physically during that tragic event.

But each to their own. If you feel, without even knowing me, that I'm a numbskull so be it. Well done. You're the first ever person to make it to my ignore list.

 

[ian turner]

I checked up on the balance of readership of newspapers a while back and found that more women read the mail than men and more men read the Guardian than women. This is because women are more caring and sensitive
I stick to the BBC and Channel 4 news as there are regulations ensuring balance on TV apparently though I couldn't find actual evidence of this.
I note that Gaz (the former 27 stone variety rather than 'Gaz') managed to post a thread with Daily Mail in the subject line and then went on to mention the Daily Star without starting a denunciation of the press (whereas I start a poll on RJIng which has turned into a slagging match wiuth confessions of animal rights terrorism )

 

[subaqua]

This is because the issue wasn't with the owners it was with the paper, its a very successful boycott in Liverpool largely because it IS so focused on one paper. As soon as you dilute it it becomes harder to maintain.

correct and Alexi Sayle demonstrated how hated it was when he did his series on Liverpool.

when the new News printers presses went up in Knowlseley it made things interesting.

 

[gb155]

I find it funny that nobody reads the sun, but......

Best-selling papers as of January, 2011, according to the Audit Bureau of Circulations, are The Sun, 3,001,822, The Daily Mail, 2,136,568 and the Daily Mirror, 1,194,097.


I find it more disconcerting that 2,136,568 people buy the mail.....

Look at it this way, that's 2million more that potentially now know, following my story, that cycling isn't the evil monster it's made out to be ( by the mail)