matticus
Guru
I guess you don't understand abstract examples. Oh well, I tried.
cars? I think you are in the wrong place.Reliable parts aren't always the commonly available ones - there can be compromises. (e.g. in France there are more places to get a French car fixed than a Malaysian one; draw your own conclusions ... ;-) )
It does seem that way sometimes ...cars? I think you are in the wrong place.
Interesting. Surprised they are doing a full on tourer, still a bit niche. I would hope it's a 9 speed triple but in today's market a fair chance it won't be?Blue hills mentioned Decathlon
For 1250e they are about to offer a touring bike with a tip top transmission, dynamo/charger, proven good quality, common components and integrated racks - the cheap ultimate touring bike?
If you buy from Spa, you can get similar, well equipped bike for the same amount and have some 3000e spare for your trips
I thought much of the new alivio was similar to what used to be deore?Its 3x10 with xt I think so no mix and match unfortunately but still beats some offerings with road groupsets
I would be perfectly happy with 9sp but the highest level nowadays is alivio I think (which is really the same as altus/acera) - luckily Spa and SJS have plenty of alternatives
My ideal offroad touring bike would be a rohloff version of trek 1120 but it is already eyewateringly expensive - add rohloff and you could buy 10hybrids which in the end would do the same job
Xd?To my eye all three are same same but different xd
I see little difference between these groups
Probably not - I saw a £2,000 touring bike a few years ago that had some altus bits. Am just about to build a light tourer and that will have an XT front mech (either NOS or very lightly used second hand) as I rate the build quality of those things - strong springs. It may also get an XT rear mech. The front mech is very definitely discontinued (9 speed) - in truth these days I think it's better to build up your own tourers as you can use these quality tough parts that are no longer current - if you buy new the manufacturers don't have access to these and will pretty almost always these days force you to have a 10 speed set-up for no benefit whatsoever.I see little difference between these groups
There was a thread on the other forum how technically they are almost the same thing (in the end altus may be 5% heavier but but difference in performance will be just as great as that between Dura ace and Ultegra)
Now the question is whether the ultimate touring bike needs anything more?
Only if your mother was a hamster.That's not a touring bike. Touring bikes have drop bars.