Theft on trains

Discussion in 'Folding Bikes' started by swansonj, 22 Dec 2017.

  1. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Someone being stupid when leaving their bike in a vestibule isn't a good reason against locking up in the racks, though.
     
  2. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for The Fridays, Audax, and social rides.

    Yes. Our cycle forum works with BTB regarding bike theft from railway property/trains. Sussex plod not interested.

    BTPs advice can be summarised as "get a clunker for each end and stop leaving valuable kit unattended". Plenty of scrotes ride the rails locally looking for opportunistic targets.
     
  3. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for The Fridays, Audax, and social rides.

    Peak hours, a completely normal situation at East Croydon, bike or no bike.
     
  4. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
    South coast, UK
    Yes, I know. He obviously didnt.
     
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  5. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for The Fridays, Audax, and social rides.

    East Croydon also seems to be home to "yoof in the luggage rack" even when seats are free.
     
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  6. User1252

    User1252 Guest

    Best seat in the house, mostly because no bastard has put their feet up on it.
     
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  7. TinyMyNewt

    TinyMyNewt An execrable pun

    Location:
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    The point about locking bikes to trains is that if something goes wrong, say you lose or mislay the key to your lock, the whole train is held up, which can be incredibly disruptive in so many respects. I can see why it is not allowed.
     
  8. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I don't see why the train would be held up by a bike locked to a rack. You'd miss your stop but it's only you that you'd inconvenience, except for those stupid companies which use racks where later arrivals block earlier bikes (Greater Anglia Ely-Ipswich) but they cause holdups without locks anyway.
     
  9. User1252

    User1252 Guest

    If you have the guard's van door open, and are inside looking for your key, what do you think they are going to do, shut the door and drive off with you in there. It is a sad consequence of the current structure but the train operators get fined for delays they cause, and they don't want cyclists giving them a load of bother.
     
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  10. theclaud

    theclaud It's teeceegawnmaaaad

    Location:
    Swansea
    Guard's van and luggage racks are different prospects, though. In the guard's van, your non-foldy bike can have a lock securing the wheel to the frame (without locking it to the train), which should be a reasonably effective deterrent, because the thief is not going to want to attract attention to himself in a station by having to carry a bike on his shoulder. If you can't find your key you can just lift the bike off and panic on the platform, and it doesn't matter if you draw a small puzzled crowd. Not much use locking a Brompton to itself in a luggage rack by the door, though, as it doesn't look any more odd carrying someone else's Brompton off the train than your own.
     
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  11. theclaud

    theclaud It's teeceegawnmaaaad

    Location:
    Swansea
    Anyway, the wider point is that it's a shame, although (as Adrian implies) an entirely predictable outcome of the political structure of the railways, that the response of TOCs to increased demand for integrated bike-rail transport is to discourage and obstruct people who wish to travel with a bicycle, and to provoke conflict between users, rather than changing the way they operate to accommodate a benign and socially desirable development.
     
  12. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I rarely use a train with a guard's van. I was thinking more of the in-carriage racks. Guard's vans are more secure anyway so a lock to itself as @theclaud suggests seems like it would be enough, plus you can then futz with keys and bags on the platform at your leisure.

    Good: anyone whose bike gets nicked while unlocked because of their stupid rules should claim the money back off them and give them a load of bother.
     
  13. User1252

    User1252 Guest

    First they came for the cyclists......
     
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  14. GrumpyGregry

    GrumpyGregry Here for The Fridays, Audax, and social rides.

    ime, yes, twice, with GWR, and then you get an "Oi, mate!" bollocking off the platform staff at the next stop.
     
  15. bonker

    bonker Über Member

    In my area you don't have the option of being very far from your Brompton. Certainly no chance of a rack for the bike and a seat for the rider.
    The whole original story sounds fishy, who goes to the trouble of nicking a Brompton then abandons it?
     
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