mididoctors
Veteran
Winning any stage in the tour is insanely difficult even at the pro baseline
Indeed. It leaves me wondering whether he would have ended up challenging Jonas for second, had Jonas not crashed. Probably not, but we'll never know now.
The dynamics of the race would have been very different, that's for sure. Visma were lining something up when Jonas crashed out (I understand scepticism over whether he could have carried it out) and from that moment Pog only went nuclear on the Alpe. The fact that Jonas was the only rider attempting to challenge Pogacar and had no real interest in chalking up yet another second place had already been exploited by the podium hopefuls as they could sit in his wheel while he tried to pull back Pogacar and then mug him at the end. This happened twice - notably on stages where the final climb wasn't the actual finish and were that climb wasn't all that hard/long:
- Le Markstein, where Jonas tried to ride people off his wheel but the climb had too many flatter (and downhill!) sections - Pog launches near the top and then Jonas has to tow the rest home
- Le Lorian, where Pog attacked from further out on a Cat 1 and Jonas was left trying to reel him in
I'm not sure which of these stages there was actually some cooperation in the group until Lipowitz decided some rapid changes of pace were needed, dropping Remco and blowing up any cooperation from the Trek riders, was it Le Lorian? Remco clawed his way back, sat in (fair enough!) and then mugged the whole group.
If Jonas did have a little more for the third week - and specifically for the longer climbs - then I'm not convinced Remco could have stayed with him, and I think those later stages were far more suited to a W/Kg battle than those where Jonas lost time to the podium group
Anyone think Jonas will bother again? Only so many times he can hope Pog is having a bad day.
Those who think Carapaz should have waited need to stay on Zwift. Jonas crashing at 60km to go warrants a lull in the proceedings but not someone falling off at 4km to go

The dynamics of the race would have been very different, that's for sure. Visma were lining something up when Jonas crashed out (I understand scepticism over whether he could have carried it out) and from that moment Pog only went nuclear on the Alpe. The fact that Jonas was the only rider attempting to challenge Pogacar and had no real interest in chalking up yet another second place had already been exploited by the podium hopefuls as they could sit in his wheel while he tried to pull back Pogacar and then mug him at the end. This happened twice - notably on stages where the final climb wasn't the actual finish and were that climb wasn't all that hard/long:
- Le Markstein, where Jonas tried to ride people off his wheel but the climb had too many flatter (and downhill!) sections - Pog launches near the top and then Jonas has to tow the rest home
- Le Lorian, where Pog attacked from further out on a Cat 1 and Jonas was left trying to reel him in
I'm not sure which of these stages there was actually some cooperation in the group until Lipowitz decided some rapid changes of pace were needed, dropping Remco and blowing up any cooperation from the Trek riders, was it Le Lorian? Remco clawed his way back, sat in (fair enough!) and then mugged the whole group.
If Jonas did have a little more for the third week - and specifically for the longer climbs - then I'm not convinced Remco could have stayed with him, and I think those later stages were far more suited to a W/Kg battle than those where Jonas lost time to the podium group
Indeed. It leaves me wondering whether he would have ended up challenging Jonas for second, had Jonas not crashed. Probably not, but we'll never know now.
Ive been watching since 1989 - and tbh the last day as a procession was very long in the tooth.
Does that include 1989 or not?
| 1 | UAE Team Emirates - XRG | 832.750 € | 6.203.988 kr. |
| 2 | Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe | 288.160 € | 2.147.792 kr. |
| 3 | Lidl - Trek | 204.870 € | 1.526.272 kr. |
| 4 | Decathlon CMA CGM Team | 165.530 € | 1.233.699 kr. |
| 5 | EF Education - EasyPost | 124.160 € | 925.792 kr. |
| 6 | Alpecin - Premier Tech | 87.840 € | 653.328 kr. |
| 7 | Bahrain - Victorious | 86.820 € | 646.899 kr. |
| 8 | Team Visma | Lease a Bike | 71.210 € | 530.515 kr. |
| 9 | Soudal Quick-Step | 65.810 € | 489.295 kr. |
| 10 | Uno-X Mobility | 45.660 € | 340.677 kr. |
| 11 | Team Jayco AlUla | 44.020 € | 327.749 kr. |
| 12 | XDS Astana Team | 39.920 € | 297.224 kr. |
| 13 | NSN Cycling Team | 37.100 € | 276.395 kr. |
| 14 | Lotto Intermarché | 35.690 € | 265.401 kr. |
| 15 | Pinarello Q36.5 Pro Cycling Team | 31.350 € | 233.558 kr. |
| 16 | TotalEnergies | 23.920 € | 178.204 kr. |
| 17 | Netcompany INEOS | 23.760 € | 177.072 kr. |
| 18 | Movistar Team | 18.790 € | 140.376 kr. |
| 19 | Tudor Pro Cycling Team | 16.760 € | 124.262 kr. |
| 20 | Cofidis | 15.440 € | 115.528 kr. |
| 21 | Groupama - FDJ United | 14.700 € | 109.515 kr. |
| 22 | Caja Rural - Seguros RGA | 13.570 € | 101.697 kr. |
| 23 | Team Picnic PostNL | 12.770 € | 95.137 kr. |
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