trust your base training

[uclown2002]

Narh you read to many books. Your overtraining when you are not recovering each day and your times start to go down day after day. You also you start to feel ruff even to the extent that you don't fancy a beer. Obviously the latter is gross overtraining. Overtraining of course isn't always too many miles you could reduce miles and cycle faster and still end up overtraining. Stop reading books and feel your body but not while watching porn!!!!
Reading to many books is also overtraining but in this case your brain.

Troll

 

[Pat "5mph"]

He speaks as someone who keeps his speed below 8 mph. I think so.

Still faster than me

@Rob3rt please quantify short, medium, long term.
Not training for anything btw, just interested because I'm still tired from last week's forum ride
Rob3rt said: "It occurs when your workload exceeds your ability to recover, and not in the short term, in the medium to long term!"

 

[Rob3rt]

Still faster than me

@Rob3rt please quantify short, medium, long term.
Not training for anything btw, just interested because I'm still tired from last week's forum ride
Rob3rt said: "It occurs when your workload exceeds your ability to recover, and not in the short term, in the medium to long term!"

It can't be quantified in an absolute sense since people recover at different rates.

Short term, day's (i.e. if you train hard for a few days on the trot, you will become tired, ache, performance might drop, but you are not overtrained), maybe even a few weeks (similar to with the days scenario, a training block lasting several weeks can leave you feeling pretty bad too).

Medium to long term would likely be several weeks to months.

A distinct difference between overtraining and over reaching is seeing what happens when you ease back, if you train properly (for you) after a hard block (in which you may experience some things that lots of people think mean you are overtrained) when you ease up for a week or two, you will recover and performance will improve beyond what it was previously. Typically with over training it will not, the recovery will take a disproportionate amount of time and fitness will not increase.

If you are interested do a little reading on training periodization.

 

[brand]

He speaks as someone who keeps his speed below 8 mph. I think so.

True but my 2 Carradice C rear panniers are sometimes full of apples or Sloes or elderberries (light really) or cider (which sometimes gets lighter if it explodes) and if lucks is in a Muntjac swapcey.
And sometimes I pull a trailer full of wood or apples but no nobody ever gives me a swapcey of Roe deer for the apple but I do swap them for beer.
Life is sweet on the Wolds. Townies your life is sh*t!

 

[brand]

It can't be quantified in an absolute sense since people recover at different rates.

Short term, day's (i.e. if you train hard for a few days on the trot, you will become tired, ache, performance might drop, but you are not overtrained), maybe even a few weeks (similar to with the days scenario, a training block lasting several weeks can leave you feeling pretty bad too).

Medium to long term would likely be several weeks to months.

A distinct difference between overtraining and over reaching is seeing what happens when you ease back, if you train properly (for you) after a hard block (in which you may experience some things that lots of people think mean you are overtrained) when you ease up for a week or two, you will recover and performance will improve beyond what it was previously. Typically with over training it will not, the recovery will take a disproportionate amount of time and fitness will not increase.

If you are interested do a little reading on training periodization.

Yep when I used to do a 3 day weight training routine twice a week (instead of the normal once a week) I had huge muscles although they were invisible ones! and I had difficulty lifting a cup of tea.

"You need to feel the inner you" There you go that last statement means we both talk bollocks.

As an aside
On the 12 mile wibly wobly cycle ride home last night, with my head down and arse up and my panniers full of all sorts of goodies, I managed to put in a better than average time. I was home by 1.45am. I would have done better despite having no problems with Badgers If it had not been a top night for doggers. They love a starry clear moonlit night I think it enchase the romanticism in there relationship BUT they should not drive off with steamed up windows!!

 

[Pikey]

True but my 2 Carradice C rear panniers are sometimes full of apples or Sloes or elderberries (light really) or cider (which sometimes gets lighter if it explodes) and if lucks is in a Muntjac swapcey.
And sometimes I pull a trailer full of wood or apples but no nobody ever gives me a swapcey of Roe deer for the apple but I do swap them for beer.
Life is sweet on the Wolds. Townies your life is sh*t!

Wtf? I love this post, it's made my morning!

 

[brand]

Wtf? I love this post, it's made my morning!

Pikey??? Not great a choice of names Unless you live in a caravan and collect scrap metal.
PS I was going to offer you some apples to make apple sauce to go with the pig BUT pig appears to be a rabbit (I am on a 7" tablet). I would suggest a Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall recipe of pork and rabbit stew which I highly recommend
http://www.channel4.com/4food/recipes/chefs/hugh-fearnley-whittingstall/rabbit_stew
I can of course supply the cider although it doesn't travel well!

 

[NormanD]

What do you mean you people have flat areas to do base training I must live in the wrong part of the country

 

[Pikey]

Pikey??? Not great a choice of names Unless you live in a caravan and collect scrap metal.
PS I was going to offer you some apples to make apple sauce to go with the pig BUT pig appears to be a rabbit (I am on a 7" tablet). I would suggest a Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall recipe of pork and rabbit stew which I highly recommend
http://www.channel4.com/4food/recipes/chefs/hugh-fearnley-whittingstall/rabbit_stew
I can of course supply the cider although it doesn't travel well!

Ok, erm, it was meant appreciatively as a fellow rural dweller, no offence meant, but never mind.

Hey, knock my user name and heritage, feel free, but leave the bunny out of it or I might be making a big pot of long pig and apple stew...

 

[brand]

Ok, erm, it was meant appreciatively as a fellow rural dweller, no offence meant, but never mind.

Hey, knock my user name and heritage, feel free, but leave the bunny out of it or I might be making a big pot of long pig and apple stew...

No offence meant. Personally I like bunnies although possibly not in the same way you do!
Reference Pikey just letting you know, in case you didn't know that it is a deragotary name for a traveller!
How do you put your location/photos in the box?

 

[JasonHolder]

I'm no every day guy baby
I understand that you are doing hills after a few flat days but I still cant see the point in hitting 100 miles on flats .

Oh really? LOL do a few hundred milers flat and then start adding in elevation.

 

[JasonHolder]

Hilarious aren't they basically he is terrible and slow and covers it up with big ride names haha

Yes im just terrible. First time back, 900miles in 28days.
I can name a handful on this forum who do (900 right up to 3 times that) they know who they are.

 

[Hacienda71]

Have you ever thought of anger management?

 

[JasonHolder]

Have you ever thought of anger management?

Not seriously no lol

 

[vorsprung]

Yes im just terrible. First time back, 900miles in 28days.
I can name a handful on this forum who do (900 right up to 3 times that) they know who they are.
The rest of you gobshites do sod all but make me rage. Take your 400 miles and talk bully somewhere else.

I must say this whole discussion, from page 1 to here has not been a meeting of minds

And I say this as someone that can see both sides