Turning into side road

[BentMikey]

You mean like many junctions, where there often aren't much in the way of paint markings inside the actual junction? It's a junction, there's a lane joining it this side, and a lane leaving it that side. You go across, it's not much more difficult than that.

 

[Norm]

You mean like many junctions, where there often aren't much in the way of paint markings inside the actual junction? It's a junction, there's a lane joining it this side, and a lane leaving it that side. You go across, it's not much more difficult than that.

To save you the effort of clicking on and reading the first few pages where I have already addressed this falsehood, and to add further clarification to the bits that I've already highlighted in red, the give way lines are to the right of the start / end markings for the cycle lane so the cyclist is not crossing the side road but is entering the main road against the flow of the traffic.

The markings for the cycle lane do not use the side road. The cycle lane puts cyclists onto the main road cycling against the main carriageway, it does not put cyclists onto the side road.

That cyclists are not only cycling against the main carriageway but also doing so across the mouth of a side road just makes matters worse.

 

[BentMikey]

Well, that is your opinion. I don't think there's any doubt that it's a badly designed junction, but my point stands.

 

[benb]

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Experienced, yet cannot see the give way markings..I don't think so somehow.
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Oh push off, you condescending so-and-so.

 

[benb]

The give way line on the side road has been pulled back from the physical edge of the road, so the intent is clearly that the cycle lane should continue on its line.

Other junctions on the same road have the give way line in the "normal" place at the edge of the road, in which case the driver would certainly have been required to give way to me, as I had already started to cross. The trouble with those ones is that, as the cycle lane is less than a car length from the give way line, you end up with cars stopped at the give way line blocking your path.

It is this problem that the junction in my clip has tried to address, badly.

 

[Origamist]

To save you the effort of clicking on and reading the first few pages where I have already addressed this falsehood, and to add further clarification to the bits that I've already highlighted in red, the give way lines are to the right of the start / end markings for the cycle lane so the cyclist is not crossing the side road but is entering the main road against the flow of the traffic.The markings for the cycle lane do not use the side road. The cycle lane puts cyclists onto the main road cycling against the main carriageway, it does not put cyclists onto the side road.

That cyclists are not only cycling against the main carriageway but also doing so across the mouth of a side road just makes matters worse.

Yes, this is the major issue I have with the design. The end of the path is rounded and the broken white lines bend to the left into the A-road. This could be interpreted as directing you against the flow of traffic, to possibly cross and join the multi-lane road or to direct you to the other cycle path on the other side of the road.


It's like the designers wanted to do something useful here, but they forgot to put a cyclelane through the mouth of the junction with elephants feet give way markings for traffic turning into the minor road, as in the Netherlands.

As it stands, and is amply highlighed by this thread, the design is confusingly crap.